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Originally Posted By DyGDisney Well...apparently it wouldn't be Thursday without another mass shooting either. Just another day in America.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Clearly we need more guns. If we had more guns it would solve these problems. Not only should every man woman and child carry a gun, but we should have emergency guns available like fire extinguishers. Little red glass enclosed boxes with guns inside, in hotel hallways, schools, hospitals, along the street, in churches. Guns in the setback pocket on airliners, magazines right next to the in-flight magazine and air sick bag. This post brought to you by the NRA.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Wait a second. You're telling me a city that has had the worst gang violence over the last two years had a mass shooting? You may knock me over with a feather.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Are you saying that there's an exception because gangs are prevalent in Chicago?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'm saying this is pretty much the norm in Chicago." You could say the same thing whenever crazy stuff goes down in Florida, Texas, or Arizona. That doesn't make it acceptable though.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Geez, it feels more and more like a war zone in this country. Who needs to worry about terrorists when almost everyone owns a gun in this country. Well done gun rights psychos.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 ^^^^ Except this wasn't some lone gun nut. This was a gang related shooting over some bs like drugs turf or somebody getting dissed. This happens every night there. It's sad and unacceptable, but in no way should it be surprising.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Given the frequency in which these events keep happening it should no longer be surprising when a shooting spree erupts anywhere in the nation. Based on your logic anyway.
Originally Posted By mawnck >> This was a gang related shooting over some bs like drugs turf or somebody getting dissed.<< Fortunately for the gang members, they have their 2nd amendment rights, as defended by the NRA, right?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost And we all know that if there was a law outlawing guns, those gangs would just be throwing crayons at each other. Thirty thousand laws would not have prevented that from coming down. As long as someone makes firearms they will be available, like it or not. I only wish the other crazy's that advocate carrying weapons into places like Disney World or Starbucks because they have to protect themselves would stop being so stupid and use more common sense, but I still don't ever want to see the end of a citizen of this country having the right of access to a weapon to defend themselves. I never ever, ever want to be that vulnerable. If I want to feel that way, perhaps I will move to Syria or some other area run by a dictator with a gun. One more thing, if every gang member in this country were to blow themselves away, I'm not thinking I would miss them.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "And we all know that if there was a law outlawing guns, those gangs would just be throwing crayons at each other." Except that no one here is advocating the complete elimination of access to firearms. We're talking about sensible controls. On that note, there's plenty of data out there that plainly shows that nations that have enacted common sense gun measures have virtually no mass shooting rampages like the ones we frequently have here. "...but I still don't ever want to see the end of a citizen of this country having the right of access to a weapon to defend themselves. I never ever, ever want to be that vulnerable." You sound paranoid. Seriously.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I still don't ever want to see the end of a citizen of this country having the right of access to a weapon to defend themselves<< Is anyone actually working on that? No. Even the most common sense efforts at stemming the tide of gun violence in this country don't stand an ice cube's chance of passage. Personally, I think efforts should be focused on the responsibilities of gun ownership. Gun owners know all about rights. But the responsible part, that's really where we are lacking. Starting to work towards eliminating preventable deaths by mishandling a gun, or leaving it accessible to children and others who shouldn't, would be a common sense starting point, I would think. It won't ever happen, but it would be a great start.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>If I want to feel that way, perhaps I will move to Syria<< Or Australia. Look at how tyranny has run amok in Australia due to their draconian gun laws! oh, wait....
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I believe they do have the strictest gun control measures in Chicago, it ain't exactly working
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt How much control can one city have on access to guns when they are readily available just across the boarder?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan If you have a crazy quilt of gun laws, some that apply here, others that apply there, very few over here, how can anyone know what actual does work? Chicago may have strict laws, plenty of other places don't. Just because one city decides to clamp down on sales at gun shows, so long as others don't, there can't be much measurable difference in the outcome.
