Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon By SCOTT CANON The Kansas City Star: A bill passed by the state Legislature, which the governor says he is “inclined†to sign into law, would outlaw virtually all abortions in the state. Those pushing the abortion ban — it would allow an exception only to save the mother’s life — concede it would appear to run contrary to the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that found a constitutional right to abortion. Meantime, a bill is advancing in the Mississippi Legislature. Measures are floating in the legislatures in Ohio, Indiana, Georgia, Tennessee, West Virginia and Kentucky. _________________________________________ Great article. Here it goes. The biggest court challenge of the last 100 years. Heres my opinion for what its worth: I am pro - choice. Make a choice to go on the pill. Or an I.U.D. Hey guys, how about a vascectomy? Condom? Choosing to be responsible. But I am drawing the line about killing a fetus. Ive thought about this a long time. Cretain circumstances such as rape, incest..even that I understand but dont like the idea of. Who could force a victim like that to have a child? But with so many ways to avoid unwanted pregnancy, to kill an unborn child seems barbaric. IMO
Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon I know, I know, if its not born yet its not a life. I have seen the heartbeat uf a very young fetus. It had legs and arms and a head. Looked like a caricature of a born person, but it was real and alive.
Originally Posted By Dirk_D_from_Oregon oops, sorry, heres the link <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/14004144.htm" target="_blank">http://www.kansascity.com/mld/ kansascity/news/local/14004144.htm</a>
Originally Posted By FaMulan I have decided to use the power of the purse with states that decide to usurp a woman's sovereignty over her own body. North Dakota and Mississippi will not be getting any of my discretionary, travel and tourism dollars.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder If this ever gets to the Supreme Court it will get struck faster than you can say sheer stupidity. As I've posted about this bill before, it's void on its face, but moreover, since it would have to be considered in its entirety, assuming it ever was considered, and no bill that bans abortion in rape and incest cases would ever pass. No way, not ever. It's a barnaric, disgusting, backwards bill, and anyone who voted for it should be ashamed.
Originally Posted By avromark I'm sure there are people that disagree with me, however there is one situation that whether you are pro-life, pro-choice or sitting on a fence; using abortion as a form of birth control. I know some people who are proud to have had multiple abortions. For me I can't understand how you can be proud of that. I can understand having an abortion (for some reasons), however I cannot understand being proud of it. For me wouldn't you be more proud if you decided to maybe start using some contraceptions? Maybe a condom, maybe something else. I also don't understand the "I want an abortion because pregnancy hurts". Particularly since I heard this from someone who has gone under the knife several times for beauty. I personally am pro-life, I can see certain situations where abortion may be acceptable. I personally don't practice unsafe sex, for I don't want to be the cause of an abortion, I also don't want an std, etc. However like a lot of things this is a touchy subject. I can see an abortion to save a life, or if the lady has been a victim of say a severe rape. I cannot see abortions for birth control, or gender selection. The point "my body, my right", depending on the situation can be very sensitive as well. I can't even touch that. And yes I can never be a woman, as a person I don't think I could stand the idea of abortion, but I know if I was raped and I felt the child came from "bad genes" I'd spend a lot of time debating. I think I would put the child up for adoption, but like many things you never know what you would do unless you were in that situation. Then again just having a child is many touchy subjects, for example circumcision, (and having a child who may resent it a lot, or having a child that is happy for it, or indifferent, etc.) There is many sides to both arguments. Even something as simple as breast feed or formula feed, disposible diapers or nappies, heck what colour tie should I wear can start a heated debate. I also have friends who have had abortions and cry at night over the loss of their child. Then again I also know people who have had abortions and have had children later. My 2c worth, you don't have to agree, but please do not attack me for my point of view, you can argue against/for what I have brought up, but don't hate me for what I have said. Offence was not meant, just food for thought. As well I am typing this after being up for about 17 hours, and I did not type it straight, I jumped around so please forgive me if some thoughts were left off at mid point. Like any touchy subject though I hope people don't beleive "the other side is 100% evil, I hate xperson", since you will never find a person who agrees with you 100%. I may disagree with you on this, but we may have the same political views, we may watch the same shows, we may even be born in the same hospital. This may be the only thing we don't agree on. I have a feeling Doobie, and Dave and and will have fun censoring this thread.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Meanwhile, South Dakota is a death penalty state. So much for "pro-life."
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder >Meanwhile, South Dakota is a death penalty state. So much for "pro-life."< So true. While I consider them completely separate issues, many who are for the death penalty and not abortion do not. Given that, it would be interesting to see how they explain this one. With a lot of meaningless blather and bluster, likely.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 And now my state, Missouri, is going to be next in line to attempt this. There was a letter in our local paper this morning from a Representative who is sponsoring a bill to ban abortion except in the case of the mother's life. I personally do not believe in abortion, but I also do not believe it is my place to force another to go through a pregnancy. I would absolutely prefer that the woman give the child up for adoption or practice multiple forms of birth control to prevent the pregnancy in the first place (or just plain abstain). It disgusts me when people use abortion as a form of birth control. I can remember being in the locker room after gym class during my freshman year of high school when one of my classmates says to her friends, "Oh, I gotta go to Springfield this weekend to get another abortion," just as casually as she'd mention going to buy a new pair of shoes. That completely floored me, and it still does.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Confused about abortion and the death penalty you are?? Killing a late term baby is likking an innocent person. Executing an adult murderer is killing a GUILTY person who is being puinished for their crimes. What is so hard about this?? For some reason libs have no problem killing an innocent baby, yet go into full blown nutcase protest mode to protect a vile murderer from being executed. Reason number 325 why America votes against liberals.
Originally Posted By Shooba Of course, not everyone that is executed was actually guilty. It might be a very rare occurance, but innocent people have been executed for crimes they did not committ.
Originally Posted By mele I have never understood that type of thinking either, jasmine. Disgusting. I also do not understand anyone waiting until they are more than a few weeks pregnant to have an abortion. I thought that it was illegal to perform an abortion past 4 or 5 months but apparently I am wrong. I just don't know how someone could abort their baby once they feel it moving in their belly. Just to play Devil's Advocate here, one thing that I have always found curious is that most of the people who are pro-life are often religious and believe in the afterlife. If there is an afterlife, surely the souls of those babies are with God. That has got to be better than some of the lives unwanted children might lead. (Again, this is just for discussion, not necessarily what I believe.) I'm extremely disturbed that victims of incest or rape will be forced to carry their children to term. People argue that the life of an innocent child is at risk but the woman is innocent too. It seems to me that some people believe that the victims still hold some responsibility for their condition; that they aren't truly victims but in some way were "asking for it".
Originally Posted By mele <<Confused about abortion and the death penalty you are?? Killing a late term baby is likking an innocent person.>> This particular thread isn't about late term abortions, it's about ALL abortions, including victims of rape and incest.
Originally Posted By Mort2 Beau - Should a woman who has an aborotion be put on trial for murder and executed if convicted?
Originally Posted By Shooba I'm no fan of abortion, but there's just too many consequences of outlawing it: the psychological trauma of rape victims being forced to keep a child, the abuse (i.e. drugs & alcohol) a pregnant mom might inflict on her unborn baby ("I don't want it, so I don't care what I do while pregnant"), and so many others.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Confused about abortion and the death penalty you are?? Killing a late term baby is likking an innocent person. Executing an adult murderer is killing a GUILTY person who is being puinished for their crimes. What is so hard about this??<< This is what you ignore. You CANNOT be pro-life and pro-death penalty. It's impossible. John Paul the Great said the following: "All life is sacred from the moment of conception until natural death." >>For some reason libs have no problem killing an innocent baby, yet go into full blown nutcase protest mode to protect a vile murderer from being executed.<< Folks who do this are just as inconsistent as people who are against abortion but for the death penalty. I am consistent in my pro-life beliefs. ALL human life is sacred. OOOOOOH, wait a minute, you're not pro-life anyway. You're "pro-choice." Well, I guess you're consistent, after all. Personally, I'd say you're pro-death because you're for abortion, the death penalty and pre-emptive wars of choice and probably euthanasia...unless, of course, you can use the corpse to bash over the heads of your opposition.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Of course, not everyone that is executed was actually guilty. It might be a very rare occurance, but innocent people have been executed for crimes they did not committ.>> Not enough of a problem to worry about though. It's practically impossible to be executed for a crime you didn't commit in todays world. Are you saying we should stop executing scumballs because one in a million might be innocent? But killing a baby who is 7, 8, or 9 months alsong?? No problem!! The woman has a right to choose!
Originally Posted By mele My mom and dad never really wanted me and I can tell you that they treated me as such. I still suffer the pain of growing up having parents who never really liked me much. It can create generations of pain, irresponsible behavior and dysfunction. I STILL have moments when I wish that they had just aborted me and my life is a cake walk compared to the lives a LOT of unwanted children will lead. Consider that many, many women who cannot afford abortions are very poor and quite often in bad situations.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>Not enough of a problem to worry about though.<< Some of us worry about killing innocent people, regardless of how "statistically insignificant" that person is.
