Originally Posted By DyGDisney <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann-insists-harsh-interrogations-restored-161652989.html" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/bachmann...989.html</a> "Bachmann argued in Saturday night's foreign policy debate for reinstituting waterboarding. She said the intelligence community has been deprived of the ability it once had to get vital information from detainees in the war against terrorism." More at the link.
Originally Posted By patrickegan If he's anything like Obama... He'd have the CIA launch a Hellfire off of a Predator UAS and kill the guy and his family.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy when it comes to terrorists i don't care what we do to them, i really don't. kill them, lock them up or waterboard them. the important thing is to keep them from bombing us or our allies. we have been too soft on terrorists and it's time we start to teach them a lesson. i don't support bachman at all, never have, but she is right on this one.
Originally Posted By HongKongFoooy i just talked with a very smart guy next to me and he enlightened the topic. maybe it's best that we do not torture terrorists, or anybody for that matter, but if they are killed while trying to blow innocent people up i will not lose any sleep over it. how's that? better?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney What if the person being waterboarded is innocent? In this country we don't put someone to death THEN hold a trial. We don't torture criminals to draw the truth from them. Waterboarding makes us terrorists.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I think we should waterboard Cain and get the TRUTH about the sexual harassment allegations (He along with Bachmann supports waterboarding).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well we know the right wing hypocrites long for the days of Salem, and talk about the rights of the constitution while metaphorically wiping their butts with it all the time. Hate breeds hate, intolerance breeds intolerance, and torture is proven that it does not make a material benefit in deriving truth. But since when do I expect the evil right to consider evidence and reputable sources?
Originally Posted By patrickegan Is it any less evil to kill the alleged terrorist and his innocent family?? What happened to their trial and the liberal respect for human rights? How come Quantanamo is still open?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 So she would propose to bring something back that if we're being honest with each other never really went away, we just don't hear about it anymore.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You don't know that. It could very well have gone away, as a good number of military and CIA officials have said that it was not only ineffective, in some cases it was counterproductive, leading to subject simply clamming up or telling lies, leading to the delay of useful information. Why continue something counterproductive?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I WISH someone could explain, in a way that makes sense, what the far right is thinking. I am a Christain, I don't take that lightly. I really don't believe this IS what Jesus would do. How does the extreme right justify torture then call themselves "good" Christians.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I just believe we've always used sometimes unsavory methods to get things done in this country.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You can believe what you like; but unless the military men were lying when they said the Bush-Cheney methods were new... unless you think they bothered to get Alberto Gonzalez and John Woo to write up legal justifications for things we were already doing... unless you think groups like Amnesty International, who never give any country a pass for torture, gave us a pass all those years when we were supposedly already doing it... then you don't have much of a leg to stand on.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I think it's deeper than that - I think it's what side you perceive yourself to be along the 'cultural divide'. If you were a Bush supporter, you were in with both feet, and felt obligated to support each and every poor decision made by Bush and his administration. If that meant signing on to torturing our prisoners, so be it; if that meant supporting the Iraq war through the five different rationales that were offered, well there you go. So people's opinions about torture were skewed by their allegience to the "conservative principles" that were being laid out for them by fox, rush, and the various bush administration mouthpieces. Funny thing - they finally declared their emancipation from Bush when he did the two things that I actually believe were the correct things - the TARP bailout, and the auto industry bailout. Granted, many of these mushheads thought it was Obama that did these things, which would certainly make them easier to be opposed to, but by the time Bush skulked out of office, even his most ardent supporters had given up mounting any defense of him. So that's why evangelicals support torturing people - republicans told them it's patriotic - and they believe it.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>So that's why evangelicals support torturing people - republicans told them it's patriotic - and they believe it. <<< THIS is what ANGERS me so fully that I wish I could move to Canada! I know people who still love Bush, and insist that the TARP and auto bailouts were put in motion by Obama. That's how they are able to blame him for all of the debt. Of course, they also have no idea that the debt from the wars was put in the budget by Obama because Bush wouldn't do it. The problem is, those in the extreme right KNOW what they KNOW they KNOW, and they won't listen to anything that is contrary to what they KNOW.
Originally Posted By patrickegan You left-wingers are a funny bunch. Would you rather be water boarded, or blown up with your family without a trial?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You left-wingers are a funny bunch. Would you rather be water boarded, or blown up with your family without a trial?" Knock off the crap. You know damm well you right wingers would have blown up bin Laden, et al just the same. Your kind thankfully is on the way out. This labelling and continued prodding, trying to incite, does not but drive the country further apart.
