Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871484665384529.html" target="_blank">http://online.wsj.com/article/...529.html</a> Governor plans to veto. (I wonder on what grounds)
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I haven't read the article yet, or followed this story, but let me guess... the governor of Vermont is a Republican.
Originally Posted By DAR <<but let me guess... the governor of Vermont is a Republican.>> How in the hell did that happen???
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Those of us that live in Vermont and have for some time now, ask the opposite question. The first Democratic Governor in Vermont in 150 years happened in 1962. This place has always been a Republican strong hold until all the "flat landers" moved in and took over control. This Governor is Republican and his reason, if you asked him, would be on moral grounds. At this point his veto will probably be overridden. However, I'm sure that as we speak, a whole lot of arms are being twisted completely out of shape in an effort to not have enough votes to override. We shall have to see how it turns out. Myself...I don't see why hetero's should be the only ones to suffer the consequences of divorce and alimony. If one is going to play the game one has to pay the fee's.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "This Governor is Republican and his reason, if you asked him, would be on moral grounds." It cracks me up how the Repubs try to be the moral compass in this country and yet don't support gun control and willingly send our young people off to war for dubious causes.
Originally Posted By DAR <<and yet don't support gun control >> You can have all the gun control legislation it's not going to prevent those from obtaining guns through illegal means. The problem, aside from a few case is never with those who own guns legally.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Right, but if it's a moral question, then why not support it anyway? Their moral arguments are inconstant and contradictory. Likewise, the conservatives argue that abortion is immoral. Do they think that by banning it women aren't going to find an illegal way to have them done?
Originally Posted By DAR Owning a gun is first a constitutional right people can choose to do, once the gun is owned then morality comes into play.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Having an abortion is a constitutional right too. Yet, many conservatives want it overturned.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Having an abortion is a constitutional right too.> Funny. I've read the Constitution a few times and haven't noticed the word "abortion" anywhere. Am I missing something? Gun confiscation, on the other hand, is explicitly not allowed.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yes, you are missing the concept of "right to privacy". Luckily for us, they spelled it out for you in Roe vs. Wade, so you have an easy reference to the unconstitutionality of abortion laws.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I don't think I missed anything, nor do I think anything was "spelled out" in Roe vs Wade.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, you might imagine you haven't missed anything, but the fact remains that abortion on demand is the law of the land.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Gun confiscation, on the other hand, is explicitly not allowed.*** And yet, it occurs frequently. Go figure.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF The Vermont governor's veto was overriden, making VT the first state to legalize same-sex marriage legislatively: <a href="http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20090407/NEWS03/90407016" target="_blank">http://www.burlingtonfreepress...90407016</a>
Originally Posted By plpeters70 You've got to love the governor's response: "What really disappoints me is that we have spent some time on an issue during which another thousand Vermonters have lost their jobs," the governor said Tuesday. "We need to turn out attention to balancing a budget without raising taxes, growing the economy, putting more people to work." Apparently, matters of equality aren't as important to the governor as matters of finance. But, of course, the whole joke is that if certain members in the government didn't fight so hard against allowing gays to have the same rights as straight people we wouldn't have to "waste time" on these issues to start with.
Originally Posted By Mr F OMG!!!!GAY MARRIAGE IS LEGAL IN VERMONT!!!!! HOOORRRAAAYYY!!!!!! Let's hope they don't pull a "California" and put it on the ballot to be banned again! That's 3 states down, 47 more to go!
Originally Posted By Mr X ***The Vermont governor's veto was overriden, making VT the first state to legalize same-sex marriage legislatively*** Good news. And I'm sure Douglas must be pleased that they accomplished all of that without "running to activist judges".
Originally Posted By DAR <<Apparently, matters of equality aren't as important to the governor as matters of finance. >> As important as it is for equality for all, the "finance" refers to getting people back on their feet. Making sure someone can feed their family and keep a roof over their heads or allowing same sex marriages? You tell me what's more important.
