Originally Posted By mawnck >>Talking Points Memo this morning pointed to this interview yesterday between and Arizona conservative radio host and Secretary of State Ken Bennett. And in the interview, he said it would be "possible" that he keeps President Obama off the Arizona ballot in November unless he receives "confirmation" from the state of Hawaii that Barack Obama was born there. ... Bennett insisted in the radio interview that he's not a "birther," ... "I believe that the president was born in Hawaii. Or at least I hope he was," Bennett said.<< <a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/president-obama-off-arizona-ballot-2012-5" target="_blank">http://www.businessinsider.com...t-2012-5</a> As one of the comments there says, shine on you crazy Goppers! He was never going to win Arizona, but just think how this looks to independents in the swing states!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It surprised me a bit too, but on most electoral maps (including the more well-respected, non-partisan ones), AZ is listed as "toss-up." It has been trending blue in recent presidential races, mostly because of increasing Hispanic population. McCain being on the ballot last time threw things off, but many people think AZ may turn blue, if not in 2012, then by 2016. They do have a lot of crazy local pols, for sure. But that can turn things blue, too, if they are perceived to have gone too far by moderates.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>but many people think AZ may turn blue<< That's just the GOP turning blue because they're holding their breath until they get their way. ; )
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 You do realize all of this is coming out because of numerous publications that printed that he was Nigerian born back in the 90's.... I am not a birther, but I find it weird, that this information is only coming to light now...
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Then why was it printed in publications that he was Nigerian born? And why was this information kept hidden until now? You can't blame people for jumping on this, when "surprises" like this pop up... If it was a typo, then why in the hell didn't they catch it when it was printed 10 to 15 years ago or even 4 years ago during the last campaign?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder You're kidding, right? This type of crap has been around now for years. It's the GOP dirty tricks machine gearing up for the fall. Any self respecting Arizona GOP member should affirmatively leave the party until the state restores Planned Parenthood funding and denounces this where was he born crap.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Who cares anyway? His mother was a citizen of the U.S., which, as I understand it, makes him automatically eligible for citizenship at birth. This stuff is stupid. We've seen the birth certificate, the birth announcement in the Hawaii paper and the "Long form" birth certificate (any of you out their have YOUR long form? Probably not many).
Originally Posted By Dabob2 First of all, it's supposedly Kenyan, not Nigerian. Second, it was a mistake made all those years ago when no one cared, so it just "laid there," until it was rediscovered. I once had a piece done about me in a local Brooklyn paper. I said I had grown up in California, and when I saw the piece printed later, it said I was born in California (which I wasn't). It wasn't really worth troubling with.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>You can't blame people for jumping on this<< Sure I can. If they believe this nonsense at this point, they're either politically motivated or obtuse.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I am not a birther, but<< My gosh I'm seeing this phrase a lot today. Her name was Birther. Birther Butt. One of the Butt sisters.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlRXQEA0yj0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...XQEA0yj0</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc >>My gosh I'm seeing this phrase a lot today.<< That was my first thought too. It's like saying "I'm not racist, but..." Next thing out of someone's mouth after that phrase is a defense of birtherism. Weird, that.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocOV3V42_SM&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...=related</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck The sequel to the sequel: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U24Iz9IOmtI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Iz9IOmtI</a>
Originally Posted By Labuda Ok, color me silly but what the heck IS a long form birth certificate? Is that the one that lists your parents' occupations and if you're part of a multiple birth, etc? i.e., the one filed with the state at birth? If so, wow... I have mine! The one my parents received in the mail back in early June of 1974 with the official state seal and everything... it's in an envelope marked "Lisa's birth certificate." No idea when they stopped calling me that and started using my actual name, but based on my baby book, I think it was around 4-6 months.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Some states give the long-form certificate as the only birth certificate they issue. Others, like mine (WA) and Hawaii and a few others, keep the long-form at the state and issue short form Certificate of Live Births. They are still valid BCs and can be used to get passports and drivers licenses etc.
