Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/08/07/segregation.boxes/index.html" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US...dex.html</a> I don't know what these prisoners did to deserve "the hole" as it were, but I can't really understand how they can call this "humane". Perhaps I don't fully understand the term. ??
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Some of the boxes are as small as 3 feet by 3 feet by 6 feet tall, according to military officials. << Sounds like a casket to me. >> The military said the boxes are humane and are checked every 15 minutes. It said detainees, who stand inside the boxes, are isolated for no more than 12 hours at a time. << Stand inside? Twelve hours at a time? Who thinks they could stand for twelve solid hours, let alone inside an airless box? If that's "humane" maybe some of these generals would like to try it.
Originally Posted By Elderp You know, in order to get qualified to use a Tazer in CA you have to sustain (get shot) for 5 seconds. I think the prison guards need to stay in there for 2 hours and see if it is still "humane."
Originally Posted By jmoore1966 Really? We're talking about violent Iraqi detainees. Should he be given a time out in the corner instead? Made to go to bed without dinner? I bet the terrorists have a great time laughing at what we consider inhumane behavior.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Twelve hours at a time? Who thinks they could stand for twelve solid hours," I used to work at a vhs duplication facility. I worked 6pm-6am. ALL BY MYSELF. There were many nights that I stood for the entire 12 hours. I could crank out 5600 (pallet and a half) a night with 1000 VHS decks. The floor was concrete. It took me about 2 months to get used to standing for 12 hours on concrete. That said I was moving around a lot. I can't imagine doing it in a 3'X3' box.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >> Some of the boxes are as small as 3 feet by 3 feet by 6 feet tall, according to military officials. << In San Francisco, that's considered a spacious studio apt.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Really? We're talking about violent Iraqi detainees. Should he be given a time out in the corner instead? Made to go to bed without dinner? I bet the terrorists have a great time laughing at what we consider inhumane behavior.>> See your post contains logic you might not want to do that next time.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'll volunteer to stand in that box for 2 hours if it will get all the cry-babies to stop whining about this issue.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Wow - what hypermacho tough guys you all are. Way to show `em what iron and steel you're really made of. I know I'M impressed by what a big game you talk.
Originally Posted By utahjosh These boxes, to me, are not inhumane. They are NOT airless. They are checked on every 15 minutes. Besides, it's a prison. When you are BAD in PRISON, things get even worse than just being in prison.
Originally Posted By mele <<I'll volunteer to stand in that box for 2 hours if it will get all the cry-babies to stop whining about this issue.>> I like this comment. You get overly emotional when people just TALK about your religious ceremonies and you call everyone else a whiner for discussing locking people in a 3'x6' box? LOL! Good one.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Seriously - I'd wager that you all wouldn't be so tough after even an hour in this "box", much less 12. And just what is the deal with all this lusting for revenge. I feel like I'm in a room with a bunch of cavemen - "he hurt me, me want hurt him."! What the heck ever happened to "turn the other check"? Are the people in this country really all so barbaric underneath a thin layer of Christianity and civilization?
Originally Posted By utahjosh I haven't lusted for a bit of revenge. I don't feel a bit overly emotional. I feel the response to these boxes as being awful, terrible things is overly emotional.
Originally Posted By utahjosh And how the heck do my religious ceremonies apply to this conversation?
Originally Posted By mele Was my post not clear enough? Do I really have to spell it out? You have spent a lot of time being a whining cry-baby over a lot less things than humans being kept in a tiny box? You called people whiny but your post was the whiniest post of them all. (Before my posts, of course.)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Please note that these are violent prisoners. So while they are isolated in these boxes, they are not bashing in the head of some other prisoner, or one of the guards. While I do not advocate torture, I don't think this sort of thing is torture. I also don't think it's a country picnic or a walk in the park or a particularly pleasant experience, either, so no need to ask. But compared to water boarding and beatings and other things, being isolated in a small confined space doesn't seem like the most horrendous thing, either. If you don't like this, what should be done with a violent prisoner? How much space should they be given? What would you do about the fact that the more space you give a violent inmate, the more chance he has to hurt himself, another inmate, or a guard?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<If you don't like this, what should be done with a violent prisoner? How much space should they be given?>> That's a fair question, K2Man, and one that I don't have a real answer for, but I think we could come up with something a little more humane than "the box". Surely there are ways to isolate violent prisoners that don't involve such extremely small spaces. Perhaps it does take some sort of "cruel" behavior to keep these people in line, but where do you draw the line?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I've known a couple of people who have worked as corrections officers in the county lockup here. Some of the ways inmates have of attacking each other and/or guards are pretty horrific, pretty shocking. And I can't imagine in a military prison it would be any better in that regard. There has to be SOME consequence for a violent prisoner. So, I'm honestly asking, those of you who think this 3'x6' solution is too drastic, too cruel -- what would accomplish the goal of isolating a prisoner, and providing the deterrent necessary to make them reconsider behaving violently in the future?
