Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/531253.html" target="_blank">http://www.newsobserver.com/11 85/story/531253.html</a> >>In her latest statement to investigators, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse rape case changed her account again about when the alleged gang rape occurred, who attacked her and how. Defense attorneys filed the statement in court today, arguing that it was more evidence that the woman is an unreliable witness. The woman adjusted the timing of the assault to earlier in the evening, a time point preceding the well-documented alibi of one accused player, Reade Seligmann. The defense, however, introduced yet more alibi evidence for Seligmann: he was on the cell phone with his girlfriend during the height of the attack as the accuser now times it. The new version of the events comes from a Dec. 21 interview by Linwood Wilson, chief investigator for Durham District Attorney Mike Nifong. The statement marked the first time anyone from the District Attorney's office discussed the case with the woman since charges were filed in April. The interview came less than a week after a private laboratory director testified that he and Nifong agreed not to report DNA evidence favorable to the three accused players. It was the Dec. 21 interview that prompted Nifong to drop rape charges the following day against the three players after the woman said she was no longer certain that the men had vaginally assaulted her with their penises. The three players, Seligmann, David Evans and Collin Finnerty, have called the accusations lies and said they are innocent. The statement layers new and contradictory accounts over the woman's previous statements...<< Sounds like it is time to start filing charges on her, for ruining 3 college student's lives.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom They are holding off on filing charges. And when they do file charges its going to be against the District Attorney.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I admit to not following this whole sordid story very closely over the past several months, but for some reason I don't understand, it has been taken on as a kind of "cause celebre" among conservatives. Rush speaks about it frequently. Why? Where's the left/right divide? From the outside, it appears improper to be taking sides on a story where we don't know the facts. Especially when the side people are lining up on is to heap scorn onto this woman making the accusations. What motive would there be for her to fabricate the story? And what is the motivation of those who publicly question her credibility - even if she's lying?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <for some reason I don't understand, it has been taken on as a kind of "cause celebre" among conservatives. Rush speaks about it frequently. Why? Where's the left/right divide?> I've noticed this too, and it seems strange. Rapes happen all the time, and false accusations, though much more rare, do happen as well. But it has nothing to do with left/right. A case like this should simply be taken on its own merits. Could it be a largely subconscious thing on the part of the right? That high-profile rape cases seem to be vaguely "feminist" or "anti-male" and that if this is a false accusation, somehow that's "pro-male" or "anti-feminist?" Limbaugh in particular seems fixated on feminists.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <<but for some reason I don't understand, it has been taken on as a kind of "cause celebre" among conservatives. >> I've wondered the same thing.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I looked at the uproar as being Black on White - so they are all uptight. I think I'm just to jaded about the perceptions of conservatives and some LP'ers to see in any other way anymore.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder That's why I've stayed out of this as well. Why is this a "World Event" for starters, and what makes this case such a big deal? Gang rape cases are unfortunately quite common, and involving high profile people too. There was one in Orange County, CA the last couple of years involving an underaged teenage girl, three boys, one of whom the son of an Assistant Sheriff, and a video camera. Got very messy. Yet, I didn't read about here or CNN or hear about it on talk radio. Why keep pushing this one?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Nifong" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M ichael_Nifong</a> >>In regards to the lacrosse case, Nifong initially garnered support in some quarters for defending the rights of the alleged victim, Crystal Gail Mangum, an African-American woman who was working as a stripper. As the details of the case have emerged, however, Nifong has come under blistering attack not only by advocates of the indicted students and on the internet but by mainstream news sources such as 60 Minutes, The New York Times, The News & Observer, New York Magazine, Washington Post, Washington Times, L.A. Times, New York Daily News, National Journal, Newsweek, Charlotte Observer, Newark Star-Ledger, San Diego Union Tribune, Rocky Mountain News, Greensboro News-Record, and Wilmington Star. The criticisms have focused on a series of alleged missteps: that he went public with a series of accusations that later turned out to be untrue; that he exaggerated and intensified racial tensions; that he unduly influenced the Durham police investigation; that he tried to manipulate potential witnesses; that he refused to hear exculpatory evidence prior to indictment; and that he had never spoken directly to the alleged victim about the accusations. Nifong stated in a court hearing on October 27, 2006 that, six months after the arrest of the Duke Lacrosse players, he had not yet interviewed the alleged victim. "I haven't talked with her about the facts of that night. ... We're not at that stage yet." According to Nifong, none of his assistants had discussed the case with her, either. Critics of the district attorney have requested that Nifong be investigated, punished and disbarred for his actions in the rape case. On December 12, 2006, it was reported that Republican Representative Walter Jones of North Carolina's 3rd district sent a letter to US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales asking for an investigation into whether Nifong committed "prosecutorial misconduct" and violated the civil rights of the three suspects in the case; Gonzales has stated that his office might investigate how Nifong has handled the case. Prior to the most intense criticism of his handling of the case, Nifong won the Democratic primary on May 2, 2006. Some critics have argued that Nifong may have brought the Duke case forward simply to win a tough reelection fight against two opponents in Durham, a city with a sizeable African-American community.<<
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Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/11/60minutes/main2352512.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories /2007/01/11/60minutes/main2352512.shtml</a> >>Meehan acknowledged that he has never omitted potentially exculpatory evidence before. "We haven't done that before," he tells Stahl. "In retrospect, I should have done a better job of conveying that information." Meehan has stated that he told the prosecutor, Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong, about the other DNA for the first time in mid-April. Later that same month, Nifong indicted three Duke lacrosse players. Meehan has also said in court proceedings that he and Nifong agreed before the evidence tests were completed that his report should be limited to positive matches between the accuser and the players at the team party where she says she was sexually assaulted last March. Meehan says writing an incomplete report violates his own firm's standards. "It was an error in judgment on my part. … It certainly was a big error," says Meehan. He says his firm wasn't trying to hide the information and that it released it when it was asked. But his client's behavior irks him, he says. Nifong took six months to tell the players' defense attorneys about the other DNA, as required by law — and during that time, Nifong filed a court motion that stated he was not aware of any potentially exculpatory evidence. The fact that Nifong withheld the information and knew it before he indicted their sons has outraged the parents of the accused. "You felt like someone hit you with a baseball bat. … It was almost too much to bear, as we sat there," says Kathy Seligmann, whose son, Reade, is among the three indicted players. "And [Nifong is] sitting 10 feet away from us." It enraged Mary Ellen Finnerty, mother of Collin Finnerty, another indicted player. "I think [I felt] one of the strongest feelings of rage that I've had … I literally had to turn to my husband, because I was shaking from my head to my toe, and say, 'Hold me down,'" recalls Finnerty. Adds Seligmann, "And we had to hold on to each other because when you sit there and put two and two together and realize that it was calculated … set up to make these boys appear to be guilty of something they didn't do." <<
Originally Posted By Dabob2 One wonders what the point of this thread is, given that no one has come close to defending Nifong's actions.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Maybe Sir Links A Lot can post another thread that expresses his reasoning.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder But let's face it. He keeps posting this crap because he knows it ticks off a lot of us. And because he can. No other reason. He must be so proud.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer The Drudge Report is saying >>DA PROSECUTING DUKE RAPE CASE HAS SENT LETTER TO ATTORNEY GENERAL ASKING TO BE RECUSED FROM CASE... << Glad to see him getting away from the case, but he still will have a lot of explaining to do in the future.
