Originally Posted By Sport Goofy A week after John Stewart showed Fox to be using misleading file video footage to give credibility to tea bagger rallies, they are up to it again this week to promote Sarah Palin's book. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luNheD4DGr8&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...embedded</a> Another mistake once again? Fair and balanced? You decide!
Originally Posted By danyoung That just seems to be a miscommunication between the news anchor and the producer. It was just stock footage of Palin, but it shouldn't have been referred to as the crowd coming out to buy her book.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy ^^ Yeah. That's entirely the point. Miscommunication? Well, I have a good quote from George W. Bush to describe my feelings about that: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...PY1adc0A</a>
Originally Posted By danyoung Well, there isn't any way that anyone could mistake a crowd at a book signing for a crowd at a big political speech with the presidential teleprompter screens up there. It was just a goof, and it happens all the time in news. The anchor isn't the one who pulls the footage - the producer tells the video file guys what he wants, and then tells the anchor what to say. And the first time it's all seen together is when it airs. Lotsa times that just doesn't come together the way it should.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***That just seems to be a miscommunication between the news anchor and the producer. It was just stock footage of Palin, but it shouldn't have been referred to as the crowd coming out to buy her book.*** YEAH, and I'm the Tooth Fairy. ***It was just a goof, and it happens all the time in news.*** Show some proof. I think you're full of crap. Prove me wrong.
Originally Posted By danyoung Ahh, it's about time we heard from a small minded idiot. C'mon, X, look at your post. You could have easily showed that you disagree with me without being needlessly nasty. But your mind seems to be small enough to only be able to communicate in one way. You ran me off of another thread - you won't do the same here. And I don't need to show you proof of something that I know is true. Having worked in television for many years I have personally witnessed the phenomenon that we're talking about. It takes a lot of people to make up what you see and hear on tv news, and sometimes the best laid plans go just a bit off. Seems like this is the case here. I could be mistaken, of course, but that's just my opinion. And I don't think anything I could say or do would prove to you that I'm not full of crap. So we'll just go with difference of opinion here, as long as you understand that your opinion means jack squat to me.
Originally Posted By Spyderman It's not an accident just like when republican mark sanford got caught they wrote Mark Sanford (D) as his title by "accident"
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Well, there isn't any way that anyone could mistake a crowd at a book signing for a crowd at a big political speech with the presidential teleprompter screens up there. >> And yet they still did it. << It was just a goof, and it happens all the time in news. >> This wasn't a goof. Listen to the copy being read by the reporter. He is talking about huge crowds at a Sarah Palin book signing. He then tells the audience to look at the footage he is showing as proof. He talks about the the footage being "just in." This is deliberate. Why would you even write copy like that when you don't have the video evidence to support it?
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Originally Posted By danyoung >Listen to the copy being read by the reporter. He is talking about huge crowds at a Sarah Palin book signing. He then tells the audience to look at the footage he is showing as proof. He talks about the the footage being "just in." This is deliberate. Why would you even write copy like that when you don't have the video evidence to support it?< You've just basically proved my point. There is indeed plenty of footage of Palin with large crowds at her book signings. I've seen it. What possible reason could Fox have for intentionally talking about a book signing while showing rally footage? It's so obvious that it can't possibly be intentional. And there's just no benefit in them doing that intentionally. The anchor is reading copy that was prepared by a producer. The producer got the video guys to get some Palin crowd footage. I'm guessing that he just didn't say "book signing" crowd footage, so the video guys put together a string of Palin crowd footage from the campaign. A simple mistake makes so much sense. A conspiracy theory makes no sense at all.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << What possible reason could Fox have for intentionally talking about a book signing while showing rally footage? >> According to an interview with the head of Fox News, Roger Ailes, his network represents the "opposition" to the current government. I think that offers a clear enough reason for why Fox intentionally does the things they do.
Originally Posted By danyoung I don't doubt that, as I've seen the Fox bias many times. I just don't understand why anybody would think that this situation is anything other than a simple mistake.
Originally Posted By andyll <<I don't doubt that, as I've seen the Fox bias many times. I just don't understand why anybody would think that this situation is anything other than a simple mistake.>> Because they have had a history of these 'simple mistakes' over the years. Enough that you have to wonder how much of a mistake they are.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Fox has no credibility to be afforded the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Eh, what's worse is the clueless people interviewed in this report: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXKuDYvM6Wk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...uDYvM6Wk</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I don't doubt that, as I've seen the Fox bias many times. I just don't understand why anybody would think that this situation is anything other than a simple mistake." This is twice very recently regarding the same person. How many more times does it have to happen before it isn't a simple mistake anymore?
Originally Posted By danyoung I'll say it again - there was nothing to gain by intentionally replacing this footage. It would have done them much more good to show the thousands of people that were waiting for hours to see Ms. Palin signing autographs at the book store. They were there - there was footage. There is simply no benefit in putting up campaign footage and trying to say that this is the crowd that came out to see her sign her book. You can say all you want about track record and intentional bias and conspiracy, but this one just doesn't make any sense at all.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I'll say it again - there was nothing to gain by intentionally replacing this footage. It would have done them much more good to show the thousands of people that were waiting for hours to see Ms. Palin signing autographs at the book store. They were there - there was footage. There is simply no benefit in putting up campaign footage and trying to say that this is the crowd that came out to see her sign her book. You can say all you want about track record and intentional bias and conspiracy, but this one just doesn't make any sense at all." So I ask my question again- I haven't participated at all in this thread and have taken no position either way. How many more times?
Originally Posted By danyoung Well, I don't watch Fox with a notebook handy and count how many times they screw up and how many of those times is intentional and misleading. They do enough blatant misleading with their commentary and news coverage to where I don't watch them at all. I'm a CCN guy, but even them I have to take with a grain of salt sometimes. So to answer the question of how many times, my thoughtful and considered answer is - I dunno.
