Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/54930" target="_blank">http://www.cnsnews.com/news/ar...le/54930</a> >>Sen. Thomas Carper (D.-Del.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, told CNSNews.com that he does not “expect” to read the actual legislative language of the committee’s health care bill because it is “confusing” and that anyone who claims they are going to read it and understand it is fooling people. “I don’t expect to actually read the legislative language because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I’ve ever read in my life,” Carper told CNSNews.com.<< HUH??? Isn't it the JOB of the person we elect to read all the bills they are voting on?
Originally Posted By alexbook I'd be shocked if more than a handful of Senators actually read the entire bill. They'll get executive summaries from staff members, most of whom will have cribbed their reports from documents written by lobbyists. That's how it usually goes, and not just these days, but for generations.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Tell that to republican senator Inhofe ... >> One of the most vociferous opponents of health care reform has been Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK), who previously promoted blocking reform because it would be a “huge gain” for the GOP. The Oklahoma-based Express-Star reports that Inhofe told a town hall crowd yesterday that he will vote against health reform legislation without even reading it or knowing what’s in it: At a town hall meeting Wednesday Sen. Jim Inhofe told residents he does not need to read the 1,000 page health care reform bill, he will simply vote against it. “I don’t have to read it, or know what’s in it. I’m going to oppose it anyways,” he said. << Where's the outrage?
Originally Posted By alexbook Here's a challenge: Which Senators do you think actually *have* read the whole thing? I'm guessing Baucus, Kerry, and Hatch.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I think the difference between this guy and the other 99 senators is that he is being honest about it.
Originally Posted By dshyates I believe that many representitives on both sides will vote without reading it STRICTKY for political reasons. The Repubs will vote against it to "defeat" the Dems. And the Dems will vote for it in hopes to "win". The lack of a sincere concern for the American people on both sides is simply a shame.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Bills are usually first written and debated in common language before it is written into legislative language. The legislative language is usually a lot of gobbldegook but that does not mean that they have not read the proposal. The post that Darkbeer posted only refers to the legislative language. If you have not actually read legislative language bills you should do so because it is pretty interesting.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper William...he is in Washington DC. I don't know anyplace closer to hell than that. Well, perhaps Detroit.
Originally Posted By alexbook You know me--I love Googling, so just for the heck of it, I found the Senate's web site. The Senate's health care bill (S 1679: Affordable Health Choices Act) is 840 pages: <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:s1679pcs.txt.pdf" target="_blank">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go....txt.pdf</a> The House version (HR 3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009) is 1,017 pages: <a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf" target="_blank">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.go....txt.pdf</a> Of course, that doesn't include the hundreds of amendments that are being, or have been, considered. And of course, this is only one of dozens of bills under consideration at the moment. Here's the Senate's list of active legislation: <a href="http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/b_three_sections_with_teasers/active_leg_page.htm" target="_blank">http://www.senate.gov/pagelayo...page.htm</a> Anybody who thinks any one person can read all this junk is crazy. I think one could make a pretty good argument that legislators should read everything they vote on, and that our world would be a better place if fewer and simpler laws were passed, but I doubt it's going to happen any time soon.
Originally Posted By dshyates Some people have such a hatred for "liberals" that all they can think about is scrubbing the intenets for stuff that justifies their hatred. Of course most of what they find is either factually incorrect or bent to the point of absurdity
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I see Darkbeer isn't giving up on his witch hunt." Huh? Huh? Gee, uh, huh?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Darkbeer really needs to stop buying threads from ACME. They never work out as advertised. Wile E. Coyote never learned it, either, though.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Great analogy. Usually he lights the fuse, certain it will work THIS time, and then before you know it he's standing there with frazzled fur and burn marks all over his face.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer In answer to the question of who voted for "this guy": More than voted for the other guy.
