Originally Posted By dshyates "Gasoline on a fire". <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/17/sandy-hook-shooting-gun-sales_n_2317522.html?icid=hp_business_art_more" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...art_more</a>
Originally Posted By 182 The vast majority of gun owners are responible and good people. There are more fatal D.U.I's,Rape,abuse because of Alcohol but you probbly don't want to talk about that.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper 182...of course you are right about that but when there is a DUI or Rape...while sad and tragic...it doesn't stop the world in it's tracks. This is so simple it is almost ridiculous it is a discussion. NOBODY needs a semi-automatic weapon. It is NOT what the founders had in mind. That had in mind a WELL REGULATED militia. Well, it is high time we increase the regulations.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Exactly. Also, Donny, see the other thread. We cut the number of DUI's in half when we finally got serious about DUI. If we finally got serious about gun violence we couldn't end it, but we could make a dent, possibly a considerable one.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper The free market may beat the politicians to the punch, at least in regards to Bushmaster. The equity group that owns Bushmaster is looking to sell it off. Can't imagine why. And Dick's Sporting Goods is taking a number of semi-automatic weapons off of the shelf. Frankly I hope the holidays don't slow down the momentum on this.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<while sad and tragic...it doesn't stop the world in it's tracks.>> Truthfully most shootings don't either.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper No...but what is the common thead in those that do? DC sniper...semi- automatic weapon. Movie theatre shooter...semi-automatic weapon. This school shooting...semi-automatic weapon. As far as I'm concerned, if there is another mass shooting with these weapons anywhere in America then the blood of those victims will be on the hands of any politician who chooses to bend over for the NRA. No, we cannot stop all crime but we can at least take some measured steps to reduce the liklihood of it.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 My point is, it shouldn't take a mass shooting to the prompt this type of action when these are daily occurrences in our inner cities.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The rate of fire of a semi-automatic weapon isn't all that different than a revolver. They'll pretty much fire as quickly as you can pull the trigger. And with rapid loaders for revolvers the reload time isn't all that different, either, though it is easier to carry several clips for a semi-automatic revolver than for revolver. It's a little slower to fire a manual-action rifle than an automatic rifle, but you can still fire quickly enough to do a lot of damage. Semi-automatic doesn't mean machine gun. The issue is clip size. You can buy clips for the Bushmaster rifle that the shooter in CT used that hold 30 rounds, which you'd only need if you are trying to shoot as many people as possible. A revolver or manual-action rifle typically has ten or fewer rounds when fully loaded. I wouldn't get hung up over semi-auto vs. revolver or manual action. But I would focus on clip size.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney From the article: "Industry experts say fears that stricter laws will follow such incidents push people to stock up on firearms before regulators can clamp down." We live in a sick, sick country and I hate it.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Which is why laws aren't going to make a difference if the culture doesn't change first.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. If you took the time to turn off FOX news and actually do some research for yourself, you'd see that industrialized countries with strict gun laws have far fewer gun deaths than the U.S. I'm sorry if I am rude, but I am angry and sick to death of your tired argument. I found this quote on twitter, and it so much applies to how I feel: "I get it, your hobby is much more important than the lives of innocent children. Now please shut up about it, it's exhausting."
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 They also don't have a gun culture like we do. They aren't as crazy about them as a percentage of the population are here. You're not just going to change people overnight that are fully ensconsed in what they believe. In other words, kiss my ass.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Sure, well let's wait generations until the rednecks and gun freaks catch up to the rest of us in the civilized world. Then maybe we can talk about banning those clips that hold 30+ rounds and havingtighter restrictions on gun sales.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 A few others things. It's not my hobby. It's never been my hobby. Nor will it ever be my hobby. Two, after seeing a few minutes of the coverage I removed all news channels from by Direct TV lineup, all of them gone.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney <a href="http://globalsociology.com/2012/12/15/on-the-guns-thing-i-would-just-like-to-point-out/#.UM6ZdLW6irE.twitter" target="_blank">http://globalsociology.com/201....twitter</a>
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Also I never said we should wait for them to "catch up" to the rest of I simply said it's going to be difficult to get them to. But we do have to leave those that have that way of thinking behind.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Of course it shouldn't take something this significant. It shouldn't take a death at a railroad crossing to put gates at the crossing but that is the way it works. It shouldn't have taken planes being flown into buildings to find ways to improve airline safety but it did.
