Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/07/scalia-says-satan-is-a-real-person/?hpt=hp_c4">http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/...pt=hp_c4</a> From the link: "After Scalia and Senior discussed heaven and hell (he believes in them; she doesn't), the justice said in a stage whisper, "I even believe in the devil." "You do?" Senior replied. "Of course! Yeah, he’s a real person. Hey, come on, that’s standard Catholic doctrine! Every Catholic believes that," Scalia said. Senior asked Scalia if he's seen evidence of Satan's work recently. "You know, it is curious," Scalia answered. "In the Gospels, the devil is doing all sorts of things. He’s making pigs run off cliffs, he’s possessing people and whatnot. And that doesn’t happen very much anymore. ... It’s because he’s smart." snip "Scalia said the Devil has gotten "wilier" and convinced people that he and God don't exist. The justice added that he doesn't think that atheists are Satan's minions, but that disbelief in God "certainly favors the devil's desires." Senior asked if it's "frightening" to believe in the devil, which seemed to annoy Scalia. "You’re looking at me as though I’m weird," he answered. "My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the devil! It’s in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the devil! Most of mankind has believed in the devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the devil." Wow. Off to find New York magazine now.
Originally Posted By ecdc I really could care less what this man believes. But there's strong evidence that his personal religious beliefs influence his court decisions. So here we have a man on the highest court in the land who is potentially deciding cases based on his belief in a mythical creature discussed in a bronze age book? What if a judge made decisions based on Greek mythology or Egyptian mythology? We'd all be cool with that, right? Right?!?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>What if a judge made decisions based on Greek mythology or Egyptian mythology? We'd all be cool with that, right? Right?!?<< Wall, I dunno. They ain't Moslems, is they?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But there's strong evidence that his personal religious beliefs influence his court decisions*** Yup. I was flabbergasted watching some interview once where he explained how a death sentence was 'not such a big deal', unless of course you were an atheist and didn't believe in the afterlife.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Here's what Scalia, and the millions of other Christians/Catholics don't do: Research Baphomet to discover their very religion "borrowed" (Steal!) from this ancient pagan god, that predates Christianity. What does the Bible actually say about "the devil"? Perhaps about ZERO?! And that it's a 1800s invention?????? Stupid Scallia! Stupid Christians/Catholics who don't bother to research this stuff! Go right on ahead in believing in the "Boogy Man" .. while I've bothered to research this myself! Go un-educated!
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'd like to take my next paragraph, and put it on a large billboard that will stay up for the next 1000 years - When it comes to religion and things we cannot see, touch, hear, taste, or smell ...Don't say "I believe" - Say: "I WANT TO believe." To say you "believe" means, you know with absolute fact. If you don't have facts to support a claim in believing in something, then you "WANT to believe." That's the correct English speaking phrase we should all use! Because without evidence, we cannot say we "believe" in anything that cannot be corroborated with fact. Period. Same goes for ~BELIEVING~ in the devil!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Well, to be honest, I have as much trouble believing God as I do in Satan. So, I guess considering that he's a practicing Catholic, it shouldn't be all that Scalia believes in the Devil. To me it's all supernatural hocus pocus.
Originally Posted By oc_dean People who do ~believe~ are: * Superstitious * Confuse their creative/imaginative side of their brain for 'Reality' * Wishful thinking I've come to a conclusion at 49: There's more to imaginative brains that write great fiction, and rides with talking pirates and dolls, in floating boats .......... We also seem to have this ability to apply our imaginations to developing other things as well - Including inventing religions.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>"After Scalia and Senior discussed heaven and hell (he believes in them; she doesn't), the justice said in a stage whisper, "I even believe in the devil."<< Speaking of the practice in ~BELIEVING~ in what other people tell you: Anyone ever see this film: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.impawards.com/2009/posters/invention_of_lying_xlg.jpg">http://www.impawards.com/2009/..._xlg.jpg</a> Great "food for thought" ... on how spreading a lie from one person to another, eventually becomes "truth".
Originally Posted By ecdc There will be those who defend Scalia because the majority of the country is Christian. But these same people would positively throw a fit if a Muslim judge ruled pork shouldn't be eaten, or a Mormon judge endorsed prohibition. The majority beliefs are always "normal," the minority's, "weird."
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>There will be those who defend Scalia because the majority of the country is Christian. << Wasn't long ago I saw some world poll (can't find it now) showed 80 percent Americans were superstitious/believe in God/Angels/Heaven/Hell/Devil .. found something similar: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57347634/poll-nearly-8-in-10-americans-believe-in-angels/">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...-angels/</a> I think it comes down to this: Too few bother to educate themselves, and fact-check against their IMAGINATIVE beliefs. I've been learning a lot more since the invention of the world wide web. Seems those 80 percent Americans should get a computer and start reading - Instead of believing what their glazed-eyed friends with their "glazed-eyed" brains, at their local church, say to each other. Hence my line - People tend to believe in things that were told to them by other people, without any research.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I just flashed on the movie Borat. What a way to show how utterly naive and gullible Americans can be. More-so than people of other modern nations. I really wonder where the country will be in 100 years. Will it still be around?
Originally Posted By ecdc <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/10/scalia_interview_in_new_york_magazine_the_conservative_justice_reveals_his.html">http://www.slate.com/articles/...his.html</a> Here's an excellent analysis of the Scalia interview. It points out that the real issue isn't Scalia's belief in the devil, but the remarkable ability he has to cut himself off from any ideas or arguments that he doesn't like. He says he doesn't know if he has any gay friends. How is it possible in this day and age to live in a major American city and not know any gay people? I live in Salt Lake City and I work with three gay people in an office of eight! He reads the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times (not Post, which he calls "shrilly liberal"). He listens to talk radio. So here we have a Supreme Court justice who sounds like a bad Bill O'Reilly knock-off. It's truly sad.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Will it still be around?" That's a good question, inlight of the current political showdown we're facing.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <What does the Bible actually say about "the devil"? Perhaps about ZERO?! And that it's a 1800s invention??????> 1800's? I share your distaste for Scalia, but you might want to check your own facts there.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Is this him? <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://tiger.towson.edu/~melvid1/mr-hankey.jpg">http://tiger.towson.edu/~melvi...nkey.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf The personification of the supernatural is, and always has been, a form of idolatry.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Matthew 4:1-11 4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.” 4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’” That Jesus, so into idolatry.
