Romney confuses me ( and himself )

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    Originally Posted By andyll

    Romney has stated that one of his 1st actions in office would be to repeal the Health Care Reform.

    So today a top aid of Romney stated on FOX that if that women in the commercial had lived in MASS she would've had insurance under RomneyCare.

    Then later Romney himself stated that Health care in this country needed reforming and he was the guy to do it since he had experience reforming health care.

    Romney's experience reforming HC is to force everyone to have insurance.

    So is he proud of RomenyCare or not?
     
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    Originally Posted By SuperDry

    I think that when painted into a corner and forced to answer the question, Romney's response has been along the lines of "RomneyCare as I implemented it in MA is great. But it's a matter for the states to decide individually. No matter how good of a solution it is to the health care problem, it's not the role of the federal government to impose such a solution on the states."
     
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    Originally Posted By andyll

    That answer flys with the base but I don't think it does with the rest of the population.

    On one hand a lot of people hate being told to buy something by the government ( the mandate )... they don't care if it's state government or Fed government.

    On the other hand people think many of the provisions of HCR are great and don't care if they are state or federal.

    I've never understood why democrates haven't campaigned on the postive aspects of ObamaCare.

    Don't talk about medicaid expansion.
    Don't talk about expanding coverage.

    Only the libeals care about that.

    Talk about pre-existing conditions..
    Talk about not losing coverage if you get sick.
    Talk about reduced co-pays for preventive medical care.
    Talk about allowing young adults staying on parents group (cheaper) policy.
    Talk about increased compitition of the exchanges.

    Call the mandate an evil necessity to force deadbeats to pay their share of medicale expenses.

    It's not that hard.
     
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    Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

    "Romney has stated that one of his 1st actions in office would be to repeal the Health Care Reform."

    Even more elementary, it's this type of rhetoric/misinformation/lie that bugs me.

    He CAN'T do it. No matter how many times he says it he CAN'T do it. Repealing the Health Care laws would literally require an act of both houses of Congress and THEN the president's signature. No president can simply sit down and "repeal" health care by executive order on his first day, or any day. Bills would have to be introduced in both Houses, debated and passed, and then sent to the White House.

    I know this seems rudimentary to most people, but he says it so often you're left to wonder if he really believes he can do it or if he's counting on the public to be that stupid. I'm guessing a little of both.
     
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    Originally Posted By Labuda

    I have a question regarding this:

    a lot of people hate being told to buy something by the government ( the mandate )


    Am I mistaken in understanding that the mandate will ONLY apply to people who actively CHOOSE to not carry health insurance? I'm pretty sure that's right, and if it is, why the HECK are SO many people upset about it? It sounds to me like it's only meant for the truly stupid, plain and simple.
     
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    Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

    "Am I mistaken in understanding that the mandate will ONLY apply to people who actively CHOOSE to not carry health insurance? I'm pretty sure that's right, and if it is, why the HECK are SO many people upset about it? It sounds to me like it's only meant for the truly stupid, plain and simple."

    That's pretty much it. To break it down as simply as possible, those of us who are already buying health insurance will not notice any change. Those who CAN buy it but refuse to will pay the tax/fee/fine, whatever you want to call it. If a person can show they can't afford it, then no problem.

    People who would buy health insurance anyway but apparently are immature enough as adults to stomp their feet as if they were still on a playground are the ones railing against it because they're being TOLD to do it by the big, bad federal government. They'd be doing it anyway, but just DON'T WANNA now, much like this petulant brat here:

    <a href="http://atothejay.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/political-pictures-sarah-palin-pouting.jpg" target="_blank">http://atothejay.files.wordpre...ting.jpg</a>
     
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    Originally Posted By Labuda

    Thanks, SPP.
     
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    Originally Posted By gurgitoy2

    I still don't understand how a "states rights" thing helps. Government is government, whether implemented at the state or federal level. So, if you live in a state where they enact health care reform...what's the difference? You're going to be doing what you would have under a federal plan. Those states that don't...well, they don't, but it's not like you have complete control over what your state does. If you happen to live in a state that participates and you don't like it, well, then what...move? It just makes no sense to me how people can be for state run government programs, but not federal ones.
     
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    Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

    Rather than me blather on about states rights/federal rights, this link provides a decent background:

    <a href="http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/rightsandfreedoms/a/federalism.htm" target="_blank">http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/...lism.htm</a>
     
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    Originally Posted By Big Ragu

    I am done with Mit. He will not get my vote. Everytime lately he just keeps cuntridicting his own words. Is that the kind of thing we want for a president? So now its either Paul or Obama and paul could be a wasted vote.
     

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