Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/24/mexico.border.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/ 24/mexico.border.ap/index.html</a>
Originally Posted By peeaanuut anyone who has been to mexico and not just Tijuana will tell you that the officials there are more corrupt than the drug dealers. This is not surprising at all.
Originally Posted By gadzuux First, according to the details of this news story, the drugs are going the wrong way - from the US into mexico. Second, all of this could be eliminated by the decriminalization of marijuana. Third, building a wall between mexico and the US will not solve any of these problems. We've tried it - it doesn't work.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "besides, who would end up building the wall?" Well, that's the beauty of it...
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "First, according to the details of this news story, the drugs are going the wrong way - from the US into mexico." Actually, no. The CNN story Ilinked isn't clear, but other stories are more precise. They were bringing it into the U.S. Here's a nother article: <a href="http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_3430725" target="_blank">http://www.presstelegram.com/n ews/ci_3430725</a>
Originally Posted By cmpaley You mean a wall like China's wall that failed to keep the Mongols out? Or perhaps a wall like the one in Berlin and around East Germany to keep people in the communist sectors...in spite of which people managed to escape communism anyway? (Interestingly, once communism died in Germany, things settled down on that "border.") Like those walls?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Why don't we just finish what we started in 1846 and just take over Mexico? That way they'll all be Americans and we wouldn't have this problem.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder cm, first we need to build a wall around you every time we have a thread even remotely tied to illegals crossing the border, or as here, drug smuggling.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>cm, first we need to build a wall around you every time we have a thread even remotely tied to illegals crossing the border, or as here, drug smuggling.<< In other words, ANY dissent is to be shut down, yes? I just brought up a point. Either argue it or don't. To be honest, I've given up discussing immigration reform here because no one really wants to SOLVE the problem, just blame the people who are least culpable in the issue.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut the only solution to the problem is keeping the people that do not have permission to be here out by force. That is the only thing that is going to work.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "In other words, ANY dissent is to be shut down, yes?" It was meant as a joke because really, I almost posted your thoughts for you when I did mine, you're that predictable. I think you and most everyone else will have ot agree to disagree on this issue. Whether it is Mexican soldiers blatantly trucking over tons of pot or illegals snakeing across down by Otay Mesa, we need to do something to stop this if Vicente Fox won't. If Bush is serious about homeland security and tightening our borders he'll tell Fox to get on the ball, ahora! No one has a "right" to come over here without permission for any reason. Fox needs to spend a lot more making his country more attractive to its own citizens rather than get ticked off when we shoot a few of them. Our economy, and especially California's, simply cannot handle it anymore.
Originally Posted By cmpaley Actually, I think topics on this subject become redundant. It's always, BLAME THE POOR MEXICANS (economic status/nationality) and not WHY do they come here in the first place? It becomes a "let's use force to get these verminous, sub-human scum out of our pristine country and ALL our problems will be solved forever and our country will become an eternal utopia" thing. It's a lie. It's not based on human nature. The best way to solve the problem is a bill that's been proposed in the Senate that deals with a reform of the system as a whole as well as enhancing the security of BOTH borders.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<It becomes a "let's use force to get these verminous, sub-human scum out of our pristine country and ALL our problems will be solved forever and our country will become an eternal utopia" thing. It's a lie. It's not based on human nature.>> Ill have to reread what I said. I dont realize I said that. I thought I said keep out the people that dont have permission to live here with force. Your plan would be like, people coming into your apartment and setting up shop. Using your internet, electricity, water and gas and when you ask them to leave they dont so you send out smoke signals to the cops who wont respond for years. If that is the case, can I move in? My rent is getting expensive.
Originally Posted By ohgreat1 >>Why don't we just finish what we started in 1846 and just take over Mexico? That way they'll all be Americans and we wouldn't have this problem. << why in the world would we want Mexico, the Mexican Gov does not want Mexico.
