Originally Posted By Imagineer This I have read different opinions. Some people are saying that the Johnny Depp character looks out of place, doesn't match and doesn't blend in "seamlessly" with the POTC style of characters. This isn't what Kathy "Jolly" Rogers said in an interview - "They look like they've always been there," Rogers said. "You're not saying `Oh, they put that movie thing there'." To me it looks I see a big clash with the new style and the old. This just smells of movie promotion and marketing to me and of jumping the shark. I guess both sides see things differently.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This Here are some quotes that I found in another thread: >>On a closer look .. the Johnny Depp AAs do look somewhat out of place. It's the difference of having one real life celebrity, dressed up in pirate gear .. to AAs built in the mid 1960s who AREN'T reproductions of real people. All the "67" AAs have a caricaturized look to them.<< >>All of the original pirates are rounded and happy. Nothing against Johnny Depp, but he just has an angular look to him. It would be like trying to fit the Land pavilion from Epcot into Toontown. It might make sense, but it just doesn't blend very seamlessly.<< >>When I see the Jack Sparrow AA together with the 'Pooped Pirate' AA, it's easy to see how the two don't quite mesh -- from a design standpoint.<< >>You might not take it this far, but as mentioned on the WoM/POTC thread, I find the Jack Sparrow AAs to clash more than the WoM figures.<<
Originally Posted By Roger55 Someone give the record player a bump. LoL We have all read the differing opinions. And I for one can see both sides of the discussion. But starting yet ANOTHER new topic just to re-hash what has already been said in other topics??? C'mon, I KNOW you are better than that. If you must, just say it over and over out loud until you get it out of your system. "I am a purest, and I hate the changes to POTC!" You will feel better, trust me!
Originally Posted By leemac <<C'mon, I KNOW you are better than that.>> Roger you are giving Imagineer This too much credit.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Talk about beating a dead horse... Imagineer This, are you planning on ACTUALLY riding the attraction? What will happen if you LIKE it, will your head explode?
Originally Posted By DlandDug I am a purist when it comes to Walt's vision. He loved the fact that he could keep plussing and improving Disneyland. (Unlike a film, which, when finished, was finished, at least in his time.) Having now seen that actual attraction twice, I count myself among the crowd that approves of the changes. The original attraction has not been hurt, and the changes do not detract, but are enhancements in every sense of the word.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Hey its better than the "Hey its the Johnny Depp Ride Cool" thread....... not much better, but better nonetheless But ImagineerThis, can you tell us your reasoning behind this new thread? Where the other 39 threads not good enough? ;o)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss No he can't tell us, because it's been obvious to me for a long time that he is not here to discuss anything, but to merely parrot what others have said. It's almost impossible to even know what he thinks, as all he does is quote Disney War, or in this case, what other LPer's have written.
Originally Posted By DlandDug I have avoided all threads on this topic, as I wanted to avoid spoilers. I certainly understand those who have reservations, even though I disagree with them.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I have avoided all threads on this topic, as I wanted to avoid spoilers. I certainly understand those who have reservations, even though I disagree with them<< But do they need to start multiple threads on the same topic. This isnt the first POTC thread IT has created. Hey DlandDug can you e-mail me, My family and I are going to be in Anaheim next month and hoping to get together if at all possible.
Originally Posted By oc_dean ImagineerThis ... go on the ride. You just might be pleasantly surprised.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This It just doesn't feel right. It's something that I know Eisner would do but not Walt. Walt would definitely make improvements, but hacks like Eisner and Iger would do it only to cash in. ($$$)
Originally Posted By oc_dean But the enhancements are more tasteful than you may realize. History will make it's judgement. If 5 to 10 years from now the Bruckheimer films don't age well .. we know the 1967 ride will, and the modern pop changes will be erased. For now though ... I remember that the films are copying the ride. So they are blending in okay, if not great.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This "I think true purists will know that Walt was a man of innovation," Rasulo said. "Walt was a futurist. He thought nothing of embracing new technology and making new magic." Walt would not tear down the Castle in Disneyland to put up a castle from Disney's Narnia or from Harry Potter if he bought the rights. The smart thing to do is put in in another area or land and not tamper with a classic Disney landmark. Walt would do magic with a new ride or attraction in it's proper place. DCA or Animal Kingdom or Hong Kong Disneyland would be a better place for something like Hogwart's Castle. You don't fix what works and what aint broke. )
Originally Posted By oc_dean I understand where you are coming from ImaginerThis. Before you joined here at LP, I made FAR more stinks about Eisner's tenure than you can possibly imagine! I understand the "Old School" WED way of thinking. Like I said .. if the new changes don't age well ... more changes will abound in the years to come.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Walt would not tear down the Castle in Disneyland to put up a castle from Disney's Narnia or from Harry Potter if he bought the rights. The smart thing to do is put in in another area or land and not tamper with a classic Disney landmark. Walt would do magic with a new ride or attraction in it's proper place.<< There is no need to guess "what Walt would do." We know what he did. He spent over ten years, right up until the day he died, making changes to Disneyland. He had all of Tomorrowland torn up and rebuilt twice! Walt also championed attractions that were based on films, even ones that did not "age well." Swiss Family Robinson leaps to mind. How about Third Man on the Mountain? Based on what I know (not on what I think or imagine), I find it highly doubtful that Walt would have wanted an attraction to remain exactly the same for over thirty years. And I believe he would have been tickled that his studio's hit film series meshed so well with one of his great, great attractions.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>You don't fix what works and what aint broke.<< If you follow the lead of Walt Disney, you keep looking for ways to "plus" things. Pirates of the Caribbean has definitely been plussed.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 "It just doesn't feel right. It's something that I know Eisner would do but not Walt. Walt would definitely make improvements, but hacks like Eisner and Iger would do it only to cash in. ($$$)" Uh...last time I checked, Eisner had nothing to do with this POTC update. Why do you attribute it to him? Also, it does NO good to guess what Walt would do. He's dead, and the company is an entirely different animal now. You can use some of his philosophies that we know he practiced, but to guess is just dumb. That's what happend after he died and the studio and parks cranked out "safe" because they tried guessing.
Originally Posted By Roger55 I had Madame Leota put me in touch with Walt... and he told me he DOES approve of the changes! So there! ROFLMAO
