Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America’s military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the “Obama problem.” Don’t dismiss it as unrealistic. America isn’t the Third World. If a military coup does occur here it will be civilized. That it has never happened doesn’t mean it wont. Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it. So, view the following through military eyes: •Officers swear to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Unlike enlisted personnel, they do not swear to “obey the orders of the president of the United States.” •Top military officers can see the Constitution they are sworn to defend being trampled as American institutions and enterprises are nationalized. •They can see that Americans are increasingly alarmed that this nation, under President Barack Obama, may not even be recognizable as America by the 2012 election, in which he will surely seek continuation in office. •They can see that the economy — ravaged by deficits, taxes, unemployment, and impending inflation — is financially reliant on foreign lender governments. •They can see this president waging undeclared war on the intelligence community, without whose rigorous and independent functions the armed services are rendered blind in an ever-more hostile world overseas and at home. •They can see the dismantling of defenses against missiles targeted at this nation by avowed enemies, even as America’s troop strength is allowed to sag. •They can see the horror of major warfare erupting simultaneously in two, and possibly three, far-flung theaters before America can react in time. •They can see the nation’s safety and their own military establishments and honor placed in jeopardy as never before. [...] Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a “family intervention,” with some form of limited, shared responsibility? Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making. Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible. Unthinkable? Then think up an alternative, non-violent solution to the Obama problem. Just don’t shrug and say, “We can always worry about that later.”>> <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/48019/newsmax-calls-for-a-military-coup-in-u-s/" target="_blank">http://themoderatevoice.com/48...-in-u-s/</a> If Newsmax was a serious news organization, it wouldn’t be as funny. But I’m curious to know at what point does free speech/press becomes incitement to violence. We’ve already seen what irrational people will do when charged by such rhetoric. And coupled with the talk of secession, the birther movement, death panels, American concentration camps, Hitler/Obama Youth movements, and the whole “taking our country back” crowd, I’m getting a little nervous as to where this country is going.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders<< Didn't we just vote them out after 8 years of nonsense? Why, yes, we did. I've not seen such a bunch of whiners after an election loss as that loyal 22% of Americans who never questioned a thing Bush did.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo They really are a bunch of nutjobs aren't they. If only people were as incensed about a real criminal in the Whitehouse when he was 9 months in, maybe we would not be in the mess we are in now. The right wing, selfish bunch of effluence. Causes a stink and needs some cleansing.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 They really are a bunch of nutjobs aren't they. If only people were as incensed about a real criminal in the Whitehouse when he was 9 months in, maybe we would not be in the mess we are in now. << If you believe President Bush was crooked 9 months in, then you are just as bad as those who blindly followed him...
Originally Posted By Mr X Why? He was plenty crooked as Governor of Texas, much as people who voted for him would like to overlook. Just taking a gander at the smear campaign he ran against John McCain in the primaries should be proof enough of what he's all about.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << If you believe President Bush was crooked 9 months in, then you are just as bad as those who blindly followed him... >> I bet a substantial portion of my life savings on the idea that Bush was a criminal when I invested heavily in ExxonMobil and defense stocks in December 2000. The handwriting was on the wall. Anyone who didn't see it coming was pretty blind to all the overt signals, and quite honestly, pretty gullible.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Bush didn't become criminal until the buildup to the Iraq war started.... When he or his staffers manipulated evidence... But regardless, you guys will believe what you want... and I am hopelessly outmanned in this forum... Let the bullying tactics begin....
Originally Posted By Mr X He wasn't a criminal when he got his DUI? Or when he ducked his military service? I'm sure there are plenty more skeletons in that closet, the guy was *never* a paragon of virtue or good citizenship. How about when he refused to carve out any time as governor to review death penalty cases, but set aside time daily for video games instead? You don't consider that dereliction of duty? I sure do.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I can think of a dozen things President Obama has done that could make him a criminal. From his relationship to Reverend Wright, to his close ties with the child prostitution helping ring called Acorn, to his friendship with extremists and real estate fraudsters... What I am trying to say is when someone is President or in a public office, they all have skeletons and have all made decisions that were not the best.... You want to use President Bush's DuI against him, how bout I use President Obama's cocaine us... err nm, I can't due to President Bush's use of the same drug... Sometimes I feel I am the only sane one alive because I think everyone is crooked, Democrat and Republican alike... This partisanship is getting old... Obama is not the saint you all think he is, and Bush is not the Devil you all think he is... The lines are alot closer than you realize...
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Add in the fact that he was not democratically elected (thanks to little bro), the draft dodge, the cocaine - at least Obama admits his transgresions. W B was pure scum who undermined everything that was great about the US. He not only disrepected the constitution, he wiped his butt with it. worst President in the history of the union, and I would argue one of the worst democratically elected leaders to ever stand on the world stage. Thank riddence. At least our current premiere is democratically elected. He is try to clean up the mess left by his predecessor, all while a bunch of whack job yahoos come out with hot air and false allegations. Makes me sick. And it worries me that the right are gaining ground in the UK. Putrid.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I can think of a dozen things President Obama has done that could make him a criminal. From his relationship to Reverend Wright, to his close ties with the child prostitution helping ring called Acorn, to his friendship with extremists and real estate fraudsters...*** Ridiculous. He has never been accused of any crime. Those guilt by association attacks didn't work in the election, maybe you guys could move on to something new now? (I find it laughable that you would equate someone getting a DUI to someone sitting in a church where the minister happens to be a jerk...lmao)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***You want to use President Bush's DuI against him, how bout I use President Obama's cocaine us... err nm, I can't due to President Bush's use of the same drug...*** Personally I don't have a problem with drug use. If Bush had been caught it wouldn't have mattered to me. The very fact that our last three presidents have used drugs ought to be a wakeup call about the criminalization issue, but sadly is not. DUI, on the other hand, I have a huge problem with.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Never said Obama was a saint, but I do know that Bush was something that starts with an S, has an I in the middle and ends in T. And it is not saint either.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I could pull out a Senator Kennedy jab about how President Bush never killed anyone while drinking and driving... But nah, you guys are making this way too easy... I love how you want to associate me with the extreme right when I am the first to admit that Republicans are as crooked as they come... Unfortunately so are the Democratic leadership as well...
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But at least Kennedy spent the rest of his life trying to make a positive difference in people's lives, unlike that stupid yahoo.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 DUI, on the other hand, I have a huge problem with.<< Unless a Democrat does it... Right??? Right???
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan As much as I was not thrilled with Bush winning a second term, I never referred to him as anything but President Bush, and I'd never be advocating a coup against him. It's why we have elections. Some on the right seem to have forgotten that. They have also forgotten that sometimes, when your party has stunk up the joint for 8 years, you are not going to win an election. The way it works is, you have to just live with it until the next election, when hopefully you can come up with someone better. That's how it works. This phony outrage and talk of military revolt is not how it works.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> I’m getting a little nervous as to where this country is going. << Me too. Rhetoric like this has but one purpose, to arouse and inflame. It started out as a cynical political calculation to de-legitimize the president in the eyes of those people who are already suspicious. That these people are the most ignorant citizens among us only means that they're more easily frightened and manipulated. But it's been morphing into something even uglier than usual recently. Something vaguely violent and revolutionary. And it's all manufactured out of nonsense and falsehoods. For instance, not one of the bulleted points made in this link have an ounce of truth to them. GOP claims rarely do. Why bother? Nothing they claim ever needs to be credible because the people they're convincing need no evidence. They decry Obama's "radical" agenda without ever pointing to anything he's done. For one thing, he's only been in office for eight months, so he hasn't actually done much of anything yet. No matter, they'll just make stuff up - "government takeover of healthcare", or the auto industry, or the banking and financing sectors, waging undeclared wars, capitulating to our enemies - none of these things are actually happening, and the people who write and publish this stuff know it. You'd think that they'd be pre-empted from complaining about the economic crisis, or the sorry state of two wars on two fronts. After all, this is the mess THEY created. But, shameless as ever, they glide right by that pesky fact to fearmonger the gullible anyway. And finally - some crackpot may indeed make an attempt on the president's life. If so, these weasels will disavow any responsibility - just like they always do - just like they did with Dr Tiller. Never mind that they published his home address and his work location and relentlessly vilified him for twenty years. When some yokel goes out and shoots him - IN A CHURCH! - they'll insist that their hands are clean. Some of them may even believe it.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 That's how it works. This phony outrage and talk of military revolt is not how it works.<< You really think Newsmax is a legitimate source of news? They are full of crap...
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Obama is not the saint you all think he is >> I always like how folks like to characterize Obama's supporters this way. No one is calling the guy a saint. He's got flaws like every other human. I've got some serious issues with some of Obama's policies, and particularly his tendency to compromise way too much. However, he certainly can't be compared to our previous president. Bush, from day one, was bought and paid for by corporate largesse. He was intellectually unfit to be president and proved it day in and day out. I know that must be hard to take if you voted for the guy, but it's just the reality of the situation. I think Obama is screwing up big time on health care. He isn't moving fast enough on social issues, and he hasn't made drastic changes to get us out of overseas conflicts. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because he inherited a plate full of impossible tasks from the previous administration. And for the record, although I never trusted the Bush administration, I did give them the benefit of the doubt in the early stages of their Iraq war push. I opposed the war, but wasn't overly critical of the president or his strategy because I had to assume that he and his national security team had access to information that I must not have an awareness. Of course, now that we know that they were just making the stuff up, I regret not being more vocal in my opposition at the time.
