Originally Posted By jonvn All I can say is thank goodness. Those people making seven bucks an hour are a real drag on our economy. <a href="http://www.examiner.com/a-202456~Congress_may_toss_S_F__s_minimum_wage.html" target="_blank">http://www.examiner.com/a-2024 56~Congress_may_toss_S_F__s_minimum_wage.html</a>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I wonder if the owner of Rose Pistola, who thinks this is a great idea, will lower her menu prices should this go through? Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either.
Originally Posted By gadzuux And isn't it wonderful that the republicans are so supportive of a less intrusive government, and respectful of state and local governments. Just imagine what the dems would do.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Easy folks. In MOST cases, a tipped employee makes far less than minimum wage and their tips MORE than make up for that. It sounds like San Francisco was an abnormality.
Originally Posted By jonvn This law would override the laws of seven states that have higher minimum wage than what the feds want to allow.
Originally Posted By jonvn Oh, and so much for me telling people to go to Rose Pistola. It's a high end restaurant, and they are Not Cheap.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 and I guess we'll choose to ignore the increase in the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 --- because it will pass under the watch of the evil empire. Saw an interview with Bush yesterday where he said he supported that increase...must be a plot of some kind I guess.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper vbdad..haven't you learned that there is no good news from this Administration? I'm surprised at you. Bounce over to CNN.com and read an interesting take on Congress from Lou Dobbs. He is one of the few national journalists who can find as much fault with Democrats as with Republicans on a multitude of issues.
Originally Posted By Shooba >>and I guess we'll choose to ignore the increase in the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25 --- because it will pass under the watch of the evil empire.<< >>vbdad..haven't you learned that there is no good news from this Administration? I'm surprised at you.<< It hasn't even happened yet. No one has posted an opinion on it yet one way or the other. Yet, accusations are flying against those who will supposedly ignore it or fail to praise Bush. Yeesh.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I guess we'll choose to ignore the increase in the minimum wage from $5.15 to $7.25" Yeah, I'm going to ignore that because it has nothing to do with this. DId you read this article? It could cut people's wages by as much as $14000 a year.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>vbdad..haven't you learned that there is no good news from this Administration? I'm surprised at you.<< It hasn't even happened yet. No one has posted an opinion on it yet one way or the other. Yet, accusations are flying against those who will supposedly ignore it or fail to praise Bush. < it's a part of the same bill - that's even acknowledged in the news article
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Yeah, I'm going to ignore that because it has nothing to do with this. DId you read this article? It could cut people's wages by as much as $14000 a year.< huge word 'could' also if you are willing to pay the equivalent of $22/hr for wait service as covered there, I am fine with that, but then expect large increases in food costs
Originally Posted By wahooskipper No doubt a $14K decrease would be dramatic and have lasting effects. What should be done is some kind of "gradfather" program. Frankly, having worked in the service industry what needs to be done is some training for people on what is appropriate to tip and those figures vary from region to region. People, in general, have completely lost the ability to tip appropriately.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 IMHO wahat should be done is exactly what many restaurants do for large parties...make the tip part of the price of the dinner -period. If the meal is $10 make it $11.80 and pay the wait staff the 18% tip with the $2.15 an hour or whatever..( and if someone chooses to tip above that for truly exceptional service so be it. but see then the restaurant owners would come across as the bad guys for having higher prices- this way if someone stiffs the waiter, it is no problem for them. Easier for them to blame the Congress for the issue. If all restaurants included the tip up front, we would have this issue. Why is it okay to do for a party of 6 or more but not for a party of 2 ?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Larger parties tend to stiff you on the tips (proportionally speaking) than do tables of 2. I'm not a big fan of automatic tips because it doesn't motivate the server to provide you with a better standard of service. Of course, I always tip the standard 15% but will tip more if the service warrants it, much to the chagrin of my wife.
Originally Posted By mele I believe waitstaff are paid a full wage in my part of the country, plus tips. I thought 20% was the new standard tip? Oh well, it's easier to do in my head. ;-)
Originally Posted By jonvn "also if you are willing to pay the equivalent of $22/hr for wait service" I probably already pay that. As I said, Rose Pistola is a very pricey place. They don't have to pay 22 an hour, you know. The minimum is seven something. If something is too expensive, then you don't go there.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper ^Wrong!!! This is America for crying out loud. If something is too expensive you break out your credit card.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF ^^^ I'm unAmerican. ;-) I spent most of my 20s and my early 30s under $15K of credit card debt. How I managed to get it paid off in spite of living in San Francisco, I'll never know. All I know is now I will never get into that position again.
