Originally Posted By Mr X So if they keep health care crappy and out of reach of most, where can folks go to get decent health care after all? Well, if they join the military they can get decent health care, right? Uh huh. (oh yeah, and if they join the military they can also pay for college that is more and more and more and more unaffordable to "regulars). Food for thought.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That's the trade off for sending our poor off to die. If you live, we will give you health care and an education.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper There hasn't been a draft in 40 years. My father was educated through the military and has done quite well for himself as have many cousins. Let's not denigrate military service.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo It's not about the draft skip, it's the point that I have known a number of people from humble backgrounds that join the military because it is a potential way to a better life. I do think we should give rewards to those that serve, it's just a sad state of affairs that for some, this is seen as their only way. But it is ironic that many on the right "support our troops", but not necessarily our citizens.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think it is a stretch to say that if you don't support Obama's healthcare bill you don't support citizens just as many on the other side felt it was a stretch to say no support of the war was no support of the troops or somehow unAmerican. I think you can be in favor of healthcare reform but not in favor of the way Obama and the Democrats are going about it. I've said before that I like some of what I'm hearing.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That's diff Skip, and that is why I respect you. Saying that you may not favour the way something is administered, or asking questions is great. Heck, I am not happy about the way the bill is being handled, but support it as I feel it is better than the status quo. But when we hear the bill or Obama being labelled as socialist, communist or as a NAZI movement, this is perhaps why I characterise things as a counter.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<It's not about the draft skip, it's the point that I have known a number of people from humble backgrounds that join the military because it is a potential way to a better life.>> There is a term for this: Economic Conscription. It's great because the elites need not worry about Junior getting drafted.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Here is a song that I absolutely LOVE by Steve Earle: it says a lot. Jimmy joined the army ‘cause he had no place to go There ain’t nobody hirin’ ‘round here since all the jobs went down to Mexico Reckoned that he’d learn himself a trade maybe see the world Move to the city someday and marry a black haired girl Somebody somewhere had another plan Now he’s got a rifle in his hand Rollin’ into Baghdad wonderin’ how he got this far Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man’s war Bobby had an eagle and a flag tattooed on his arm Red white and blue to the bone when he landed in Kandahar Left behind a pretty young wife and a baby girl A stack of overdue bills and went off to save the world Been a year now and he’s still there Chasin’ ghosts in the thin dry air Meanwhile back at home the finance company took his car Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man’s war When will we ever learn When will we ever see We stand up and take our turn And keep tellin’ ourselves we’re free Ali was the second son of a second son Grew up in Gaza throwing bottles and rocks when the tanks would come Ain’t nothin’ else to do around here just a game children play Somethin’ ‘bout livin’ in fear all your life makes you hard that way He answered when he got the call Wrapped himself in death and praised Allah A fat man in a new Mercedes drove him to the door Just another poor boy off to fight a rich man’s war
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 So you have to resort to Military bashing now Mr. X? Soldiers deploy with no notice because of a choice they made. Soldiers leave their families because of a choice they made. Soldiers die fighting for their country because of a choice they made. The fact that we get college and Medical care is part of the benefits we receive because of the choice we made.... We aren't given favorable treatment over other Americans, we are given treatment due to the fact we made thee decision to fight for our country. If soldiers did not receive medical care of college, the military would not exist as we know it now, and although some people might ride the military saying we should get rid of it... Without the military volunteer, there would have never been an America. I am not saying you should bow down and praise the soldier because even I think we might be getting it a little too good right now, but when the economy recovers like it always does, it'll even out, like it always does....
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Without the military volunteer, there would have never been an America. >> The all volunteer military has only been around since after the Vietnam War. Since its inception, the U.S. historically used some sort of conscription, draft, even mercenary force to meet its national security needs.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Don't forget about stop loss. Thousands of military personnel enlisted for set periods of time, only to have their service extended beyond those time periods because of stop loss, with redeployment after redeployment to Iraq and/or Afghanistan, for years on end. If war in the middle east is so darn vital to our safety here at home, then reinstate the draft. Do away with stop loss and draft every able bodied young man and young woman, gay or straight, to serve in the military for at least two years. Abusing our volunteer military with the endless redeployments through stop loss is garbage. Either the wars are worth fighting through the draft or they're not worth fighting at all.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***So you have to resort to Military bashing now Mr. X?*** I thought I was government bashing. What part of my comments did you take as "bashing the military"?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Man Princess Jenn, that song is awesome. And so true in many cases.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I thought I was government bashing. What part of my comments did you take as "bashing the military"?<< The entire post, but it's OK, I have to learn to stop being so sensitive when it comes to your posts, I may be reading too much into them.... If that was not your intent, I apologize.
Originally Posted By Mr X Was not my intent to slam the military, only the government who must find a way to recruit more and more soldiers into these dangerous jobs.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Man Princess Jenn, that song is awesome. And so true in many cases." Steve Earle's lyrics are often very good, but have you ever heard him "sing"?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I've heard Copper Head Road, that was cool. Sadly we get very little access to Country in the UK, and I often forget to look for what's current in country - LP thankfully intro me to the odd nugget though.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Awesome right on video: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4bCVoMCeYY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...CVoMCeYY</a>
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 I absolutely love the Steve Earle song that I put up and I do not even like country music very much. My fiance found the song when it was on one of his Pandora playlists and it just really hit home for me.
