Originally Posted By Mr X <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7981893.stm" target="_blank">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ame...1893.stm</a> Good to hear.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Iowa? Who'da thunk it... The LDS yahoos will be starting their campaign to change the constitution in 10, 9, 8, 7, 6...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Maybe, just maybe, LDS will realize there's too many places that are going for this and they just can't keep trying to put their fingers in too many dikes. Pun intended. Impose their own quaint brand of moralism on themselves and stay away from places they're not wanted. If they can't, then they should just shut up about the criticism and disgust that comes their way because they invited it by sticking their noses where they don't belong.
Originally Posted By mele More of them should try putting their fingers in some dykes. They might like it.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Rude? I'll show you rude: <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2221502/posts" target="_blank">http://www.freerepublic.com/fo...02/posts</a>
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt The interesting thing about this to me is that the religious conservatives claimed that if Prop 8 didn't pass it would pave the way for legalized same sex marriages in other states. Ironically its passage seems to have had no impact on the opinion of the courts in other states. I think this makes the second state to put the kabosh on same sex marriage discrimination since November.
Originally Posted By markymouse I've known a few dykes. I've known a few Mormons. With all do respect, mele, I don't think any of them would find your suggestion appealing. Seriously, if and when DP and I get married, I can assure you the service will not include the phrase "So there, LDS!" Why does everything - from Utah liberalizing its drinking laws to Iowa, a state with like 12 Mormons, moving toward gay marriage always have to include Mormon bashing. No, let me be more accurate ... consist almost entirely of Mormon bashing - on these threads. Whether it was integrating universities in the South, affirmative action for women and minorities, bussing in Boston, protecting spotted owl habitat in the Pacific Northwest or demanding ADA compliance, the "and if you don't like it, well tough" attitude hasn't exactly been a positive addition to the national dialogue. Can't we just be happy we won this round?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "No, let me be more accurate ... consist almost entirely of Mormon bashing - on these threads." While I understand where you're coming from, the Mormons didn't insert themselves in the oher issues you mentioned, but more to the point, the LDS has made a point of starting this argument, so when others want to finish, I can't blame them. Utahjosh's clueless "Quite rude" illustrates the point perfectly. This guy apparently truly does not see how the instrusion of his overbearing religion is any kind of a burden on those who did not seek their involvement. He whines about a lack of respect for his point of view, yet this is exactly what the complaint is from gays, that the Mormons have no respect for them, either. The Mormons want it all one-sided, and life just isn't that way. It's like I said in post 4- they should just shut up about the criticism and disgust that comes their way because they invited it by sticking their noses where they don't belong. The irony here is that if not for the Mormons invading California on Prop 8, many of these others states might not have seen the urgency to do what they're doing now.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Clueless? The comments were rude. You are continuing to be rude and overbearing, yourself, you smarmy overconfident punk. There is some rude for you.
Originally Posted By utahjosh And thanks, markymouse, for keeping a level head. I lost mine in post 12. Not a single LDS person "started" anything in this thread. So screw you, or your dog, or whatever you like. I'm tired of it.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I'm obviously being a total jerk and will regret these posts. So have at me. But ever since Prop 8, and my defense of it, i've been mocked and every point I try to make is followed with a "Yeah, but you hate gays" kind of attitude.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "The comments were rude. You are continuing to be rude and overbearing, yourself, you smarmy overconfident punk. There is some rude for you." Right back at ya, son, right back at ya.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF In all the Prop. 8 posts I've ever posted, have I EVER said anything to the effect that I want the LDS -- or indeed, any religious faith -- outlawed? No? That's right. I have never said anything like that and never will. See, that's the difference between you and me.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Agreed. Sorry I blasted you like that. I don't wan't to act that way. I already feel bad.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Not a single LDS person "started" anything in this thread. So screw you, or your dog, or whatever you like. I'm tired of it." This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in post 4. They did indeed start this with when they picked a fight in California. They truly do not understand what they've done, who they've done it to, and the damage they will eventually sustain because of it. The Mormons should have stayed home and minded their own business. This is what moral righteousness gets you. To keep this on topic, as I said in the earlier post, had they not down this, it's possible the courts in Iowa look at it differently and see no sense of urgency. Same for Vermont. And D.C. And Europe. And everywhere else.......
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Agreed. Sorry I blasted you like that. I don't wan't to act that way. I already feel bad." See if you can even possibly imagine how gays feel about your religion attacking them for something about themselves they cannot control whatsoever, and then get back to us about feeling bad.
