Originally Posted By dshyates Sen. McCain has launched an ad that claims Obama wants to teach kindergartners sex education before reading. Read this article: <a href="http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/sex-ed-for-kids/" target="_blank">http://elections.foxnews.com/2...or-kids/</a> Then watch this ad: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVLQhRiEXZs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...QhRiEXZs</a> It comes close to a flat out lie. Speaking of flat out lies. Check out this other new McCain ad: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32G5_bqFvA" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...G5_bqFvA</a> Now watch the Obama clip in context. It is clear that he is referring to repackaging bush policies as putting lipstick on a pig. NOT Sarah Palin. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c3ebgazZ3c&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...=related</a> This is a flat out lie. McCain is throwing all the honor he gets for being a former POW in the garbage by now being a blatent liar.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones McCain wants to take your right to cheap annual passes and plentiful churros away!
Originally Posted By Mr X Yup... I'd seriously like to, no sorry..I INSIST we hear from the right wingers here, and let them either justify this garbage, or explain why they'd vote for a dishonorable slandering lier. This is really beyond the pale. You guys are OKAY with this? DAR? Doug1? Doug2? Plano? I'll tell you this right now, if Obama had done such a despicable thing I would be actively campaigning against the guy. I hope you realize how serious I am when I say this. If you guys have any shred of honor or love for the reputation of our country, you'll do exactly that.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Now watch the Obama clip in context. It is clear that he is referring to repackaging bush policies as putting lipstick on a pig. NOT Sarah Palin.> I started a thread specifically about the other "sex ed in Kindergarten" ad ("Despicable lie about McCain"). On the lipstick on a pig thing, check this out: <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-campaign10-2008sep10,0,311675.story" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/news/na...75.story</a> "Lipstick on a pig" is simply an old expression. Even Mike Huckabee acknowledges this (from the link): "But Mike Huckabee, a McCain opponent in the primaries, said he did not believe Obama was calling Palin a pig. "It's an old expression, and I'm going to have to cut Obama some slack on that one," Huckabee told Fox News." What makes this even more obviously manufactured outrage on the part of McCain is that McCain HIMSELF has used this very expression. Also from the link: "McCain too has invoked pigs in criticizing opponents. When Clinton released her healthcare plan last year, the Arizona senator portrayed it as a remake of the one she proposed when her husband, Bill Clinton, was president. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," McCain said." So McCain himself knows full well what the expression "putting lipstick on a pig" means. He's used it himself. And yet his campaign is trying to say this was a slur on Palin? And demanding an apology? Seriously - do they have no shame left?
Originally Posted By monorailblue The worst crime and sin of all of this was originally posting this thread in DL General. Puh-leeze.
Originally Posted By dshyates "The worst crime and sin of all of this was originally posting this thread in DL General. Puh-leeze." I know, I was trying to post from the combined page. I'm an idiot.
Originally Posted By dshyates I think the Lipstick ad is funny. Its actually McCain caliing Palin a "Pig". Way to treat your running mate.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I've been banging on about this for awhile now - republicans have no expectations of honor, dignity or accountability from their candidates. Nothing is too sleazy for them - any low blow, cheap tactic, personal smear or outright lie is fine with them. If that sounds inflamatory, just look at the record of cheap and slimy lowbrow politics that we see consistently from the GOP. And then - big surprise - these guys turn out to be corrupt when they get into office. And the republicans STILL won't expect any honor, ethics or accountability from them when they're elected. The extra irony is how morally superior these folks seem to think they are over those 'crazy liberals'.
Originally Posted By dshyates "The extra irony is how morally superior these folks seem to think they are over those 'crazy liberals'. " We have one running loose on the boards right now.
Originally Posted By mawnck Here's what I don't get. They were getting ahead in the polls, everybody loved Sarah Palin to pieces, the Dems were in a shambles, and now THIS? If I were the Dems, I'd be buying up additional airtime for that kindergarten ad, and being very noisy about it. Seriously - run it exactly as-is, including McCain approving the message, except that the fine print at the bottom would be in a red border and would say the ad was paid for by the Obama campaign. It would be the top story on every newscast, and do a magnificent job of reinforcing the classic stereotype of a vicious, spineless, idea-less, Rush-Limbaugh-is-God-type GOP. I am absolutely baffled by this ad. WHAT WERE THEY SMOKING? Maybe it'll become clear in a few days.
Originally Posted By Hannibal 8 The only thing I love more than Disneyland is politics and I'm always up for a tussle with the bleeding heart left... so here goes. It should be a great election year, but I feel sorry for this country if anybody votes based on a thirty second spot from either side Now I watched this add and it wasn't that bad. Obama's people say that he wanted to help kids by making them aware of sexual predators and "good touch, bad touch". But for those that can't read (since they were attending sex ed that day) the article that dshyates posted goes on to say, "The lessons were to cover the consequences of unprotected sex, the effects of various forms of contraception and the option of abstinence." Too much information for any five year old I've ever met...I guess you'd have to read the whole bill to get to the part about good touch bad touch. The bottom line is both parties are the same. And they both feel strongly that their candidate is the best, and they'll both stop at nothing to win. Obama's camp has sent 30 people up to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin. It was on CNN and the dem advocate's defense was, "Well we all do that. That's nothing new." It isn't new. It's the same old thing from Mr. Change McCool Obama. That's why I pay attention to the real world (watch CNN, read the papers, watch the debates) and have fun at Disneyland during my free time. Go McCain and Palin. Cheers.
Originally Posted By dshyates "But for those that can't read (since they were attending sex ed that day) the article that dshyates posted goes on to say, "The lessons were to cover the consequences of unprotected sex, the effects of various forms of contraception and the option of abstinence."" You left out the preceeding sentance that states, "The measure said schools offering sex education must include medically accurate information appropriate to the age of the students." So to the kinderset is was "Good Touch, Bad Touch" and for High schoolers it included what you listed.
Originally Posted By dshyates I assume you can read, so I have to assume you, like your party, favor misrepresentation.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***You left out the preceding sentence that states*** Of course he did. No surprise there. ***That's why I pay attention to the real world (watch CNN, read the papers, watch the debates)*** You forgot FOX news.
Originally Posted By queenbee <<A McCain-Palin campaign ad claims Obama's "one accomplishment" in the area of education was "legislation to teach 'comprehensive sex education' to kindergarteners." But the claim is simply false, and it dates back to Alan Keyes' failed race against Obama for an open Senate seat in 2004. Obama, contrary to the ad's insinuation, does not support explicit sex education for kindergarteners. And the bill, which would have allowed only "age appropriate" material and a no-questions-asked opt-out policy for parents, was not his accomplishment to claim in any case, since he was not even a cosponsor – and the bill never left the state Senate.>> <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/off_base_on_sex_ed.html" target="_blank">http://www.factcheck.org/elect..._ed.html</a> According to factcheck your statements are incorrect regarding the language in this legislation.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <was not his accomplishment to claim in any case> So, I guess the McCain camp was wrong. Evidently, Sen Obama hasn't had any accomplishments in education, inspite of spending millions of dollars with the help of known terrorist Bill Ayers.
Originally Posted By gadzuux That's it - if you can't win the argument with facts, change the subject. And throw in a dollop of good old 'guilt by association' - even if it's with someone only tangentially related.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <That's it - if you can't win the argument with facts, change the subject.> Yes, that's what you did when I proved to you what Sen Obama said about the Born Alive bill was wrong. Sen Obama voted for a bill that would teach HIV prevention to kindergarteners. That's the facts.
