Originally Posted By planodisney While I do think they overstated the title a bit, the poll was fascinating. The poll showed that 55% believed the Biblical account of creation, 30% believed that God used evolution in some way to create the universe, while only 15% believe that evolution was solely responsible for creation. Sure makes the argument for allowing Intelligent Design, and the evidence that doesnt support evolution to be taught in public schools more interesting doesnt it. you have to love us free thinking Americans. 30 years of evolution indoctrination, but we still decide for ourselves. Eat your heart out Europe!!!!
Originally Posted By SuperDry Wow - we're really making progress here. Here we are 80 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial and we still have people declaring a victory of sorts when science that goes against their narrow view of religion is being put down. "Evolution indoctination" - that's pretty rich. I wonder if Copernicus was accused of "solar indoctrination" ?
Originally Posted By planodisney There is sooooo much scinece out there that refutes evolution SuperDry. You flatly refuse to accept any of that evidence because you have staked out you viewpoint and no amount of evidence can sway your opinion. That is what I call narrow minded.
Originally Posted By planodisney People such as yourself refuse to look at evidence such as all of the existing animals that couldnt have evolved, giraffe being one example, so you just place all of that evidence to the side and force yourself no to contemplate it. That is the major problem with modern scientists. Too many of them have their absolute viewpoint, and spend all of their time searching for evidence that backs up their view, instead of searching for the truth.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I believe that God created us, and is behind evolution. But I also know that, despite the gaps in it, many precepts of evolution have in fact been proven, and should be taught. "Intelligent Design" is essentially a matter of faith and not provable by the scientific method, and does not belong in science class. I don't want the government in my church, or my church (even if I strongly believe in it) in my classroom.
Originally Posted By Elderp "Too many of them have their absolute viewpoint, and spend all of their time searching for evidence that backs up their view, instead of searching for the truth." I couldn't have said it any better. Fact is evolution is just a theory like any other theory. I always find it funny that my Biology professor always says we should think "liberally" but when any of our "liberal" thoughts don't match his thoughts I always seem to get that question wrong.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> You flatly refuse to accept any of that evidence because you have staked out you viewpoint and no amount of evidence can sway your opinion. << What kind of scientific evidence do you have that supports biblical creationism? Science-schmience - who needs it when you've got "faith"? >> The poll showed that 55% believed the Biblical account of creation << Which means that 3% of the creationists must've voted for kerry.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Sounds like those who have been saying our schools haven't been teaching science effectively are right. It doesn't really matter if 55% of Americans believe that the Biblical account of creation is literal and not metaphoric - that doesn't change how we got to be here.
Originally Posted By planodisney I imagine that alot more than 3% of creationists voted for Kerry. Not quite sure what you were attempting to prove by that, but, oh well.
Originally Posted By schoolsinger >>>The poll showed that 55% believed the Biblical account of creation, 30% believed that God used evolution in some way to create the universe, while only 15% believe that evolution was solely responsible for creation.<<< What about the people who hold none of those views?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I believe in the Genesis account. I just happen to believe it is a parable.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Not quite sure what you were attempting to prove by that, but, oh well. << Only that it's a likely bet that most everybody who believes in the literal biblical account of creation also believes everything bush tells them too. I'm being flippant here, but I've seen similar polls before, and if I consider it too much, it just makes me sad and embarrassed for our nation. We're proving the theory of de-evolution. (Are we not men? We are devo!)
Originally Posted By itsme When people are always being scared/forced into the god stuff at a young age and how if they reject it they are bad or are going to die a miserable death or are a lesser person cause of whatever, it doesnt surprise me at all.
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider >>There is sooooo much scinece out there that refutes evolution SuperDry<< Any examples? I mean that's 4 extra o's...there must be a lot of it. Can you give us say 3? >>such as all of the existing animals that couldnt have evolved, giraffe being one example,<< How do you figure a girraffe could NOT have evolved? I've always kind of been taught that the long neck was an example of evolution as a way to get to tree branches other animals couldn't to get food.... >>Too many of them have their absolute viewpoint, and spend all of their time searching for evidence that backs up their view, instead of searching for the truth.<< And there's no one trying to prove creationism correct with their absolute viewpoint? I'd say devout religious folk are more likelyto be "absolute" in their viewpoint than a scientist - why? because if the religion is wrong that person's entire belief system is shattered and shown to be false whereas a scientist who disproves his/her own theory will still get considerable recognition in the scientific community and more ammunition/understanding when developing a new theory. I am a Catholic but even I find creationism a bit absurd. Adam and Eve led to 6 billion people? I realize they were "perfect" but we know what happens to inbred children and if creationism is true we'd all be the the product of massive inbreeding...
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I am a Catholic but even I find creationism a bit absurd. << You aren't alone: <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0" target="_blank">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/a rticle/0</a>,,13509-1811332,00.html The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy†from the Bible. “We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,†they say in The Gift of Scripture. The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US. Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design†to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began. But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historicalâ€. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces <snip> As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.
Originally Posted By cmpaley The Scripture wasn't given to be a science text, it was given to us to teach us about God and the world He made for us. Genesis 1 is so full of theological insight and meat that most fundamentalists can't even concieve because they're locked into the "literal interpretation" of scripture instead of trying to see the big picture.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Not to mention that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other, so to me it's a pretty clear message from God that we're not supposed to look at it as a factual account. Something doesn't have to be factual to be true.
Originally Posted By Disneyman55 Careful what you post on these boards regarding creation and evolution PlanoDisney. There are some very condescending individuals here that will question everything from your intelligence to your ability to think for yourself. It's not worth it. Move on.
