Originally Posted By FaMulan <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081220/ap_on_re_us/gay_marriage_lawsuits" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...lawsuits</a> They now want to nullify the thousands of marriages that took place between June 17 and November 4. I think they should wait until all the court challenges are dealt with.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Figures this would have Ken Starr's fingerprints on it... Why is this guy so worried about what is going on in everyone elses bedrooms! On the upside AG Jerry Brown has had a change of heart and seen the light!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/19/california.proposition/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/...dex.html</a> Quotes: California Attorney General Edmund "Jerry" Brown called on the court to reject the initiative. "Proposition 8 must be invalidated because the amendment process cannot be used to extinguish fundamental constitutional rights without compelling justification," Brown said in a written statement. Rick Jacobs, founder and chair of the anti-Proposition 8 Courage Campaign, said he was "appalled" that the initiative's supporters wanted to nullify the same-sex marriages that are already on the books. "The motivation behind this mean-spirited and heart-breaking action should not be allowed to be buried in legal brief," he said. "If Proposition 8's sponsors plan to destroy lives, they should at least have the courage to admit it publicly." The gall displayed here is simply a new low. From a legal standpoint, it's not been done, to my limited knowledge. My first reaction is those who are favor of erasing all the previously enacted, lawful same sex marriages can go to hell, and I'll drive them there. It's also my second, third and fourth reaction. The only word to describe their attitude is hate. Pure, unadulterated red hot hate. The lack of compassion evident leads one to no other conclusion. It isn't enough to try and ban them going forward, but now they want to drive a stake, literally and figuratively, through the hearts of gays. If people though it was ugly before, Yes on 8 people now will have only themselves to blame for whatever happens next. Unbelievable.
Originally Posted By FaMulan I couldn't have said it better SPP. This too galled me to no end, but I thought I'd try to be a bit diplomatic in my initial post. To all you Prop 8 supporters, especially the ones behind this new initiative. You do not know what human compassion is. You do not understand that people are people and while you may disagree with thier life's path, they are entitled to it. All people have the capacity for love, why are you dwelling on hate. Allow these lawfully wedded couples their happiness, it does *nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to your happiness.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Allow these lawfully wedded couples their happiness, it does *nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* to your happiness." Exactly. And all this "forcing people to recognize gay marriage" is just crap. And subsitute a word that rhymes spit. How about looking the other way? Turn the other cheek? Hypocritical religious bigots.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka I'm starting to believe that pro 8 people don't even know what real happiness is. They have black holes in their souls. May their own families reap 10-fold the damage they try to inflict upon others.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Jerry Brown has been my political hero since the 1970s. I have never seen another politician that aligns more with my personal beliefs. He combines progressive beliefs with a savvy pragmatism and political know how. But most importantly, his motives are always going to be pure and trustworthy - people forget that he's also a jesuit 'seminarian' - and people who actually know him say he's essentially a priest. On this issue - how could he do anything else but what he's done? Don't get me wrong, it's a profile in courage for him to definitively and decisively step out and declare his cards on the biggest hot-button topic in the state. But what choice did he really have? Cozying up with the likes of ken starr would be unthinkable. As state attorney-general, he's charged with fulfilling the directives of prop 8. For him, this is equally unthinkable. He knows right from wrong. As do 48% of the California electorate. We cannot simply throw equality under the bus in the interests of appeasing the hatred, fear and ignorance of the other 52. We can only hope that they'll one day come to understand. Jerry Brown for Governor 2010.
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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Of all the sad, strange turns the Prop 8 story has taken, this is the most hateful of all. It should be crystal clear that the agenda here is to directly disrupt people's lives as much as possible. I think, however, that this little maneuver is the Yes on 8 side overplaying its hand in a big way and will actually help proponents of gay marriage in the long run. This moves the whole to discussion from preventing marriages to actively dissolving unions that were legal just a few weeks ago. What other rights could be retroactively removed by the tyranny of the (narrow) majority?
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Just shows how obvious their lies about "protecting their rights" are. Liars, all of them. Pathetic how many sins they are willing to commit, all while condemning and persecuting people they feel are sinning. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Originally Posted By gadzuux What would motivate an individual to actively seek to nullify the marriages of over 36,000 people? Simple - fear and loathing - the basest of all human instincts. These people live their lives ruled by their fears. And these fears are deftly manipulated by those to whom they voluntarily grant authority over them - their churches. For them, it provides the safety of the flock. Often, people who may seem to have an inferiority complex really are inferior. They cannot compete as an individual and they cannot effectively deal with this increasingly complex world by their own wits. Instead they search for emotional shelter and easy answers, and the church provides them both. In this case, the pastors tell the faithful that these aren't "real" marriages, and the people in them aren't capable of being a "real" married couple, therefore their vows mean nothing. This isn't confined to just gay marriage. The catholic church has been carrying on a sham for thousands of years called "annulment" where if you pay enough money and jump through enough hoops - *poof* - not only are you no longer married, you NEVER WERE! It's actually back-dated so that your lifelong commitment to your marriage and your partner never happened. And incredibly, some people actually believe it. And of course we've recently sifted through the appalling hypocrisy of the LDS church telling us that they are the vanguard of "traditional marriage values" while conveniently forgetting the entire history of their own faith and persecution. So in a very real way, it's the churches that are destroying marriage, all the while thinking that they're "defending" it. These people are worse than useless - their own delusions of grandeur are increasingly detrimental to the rest of society as a whole. They'll tell you chapter and verse about all the 'good works' they perform. But it's a small tradeoff compared to the damage that they inflict on the culture, and the ignorance and superstition that they continue to foster.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh It's not hate, it's not fear, and no one's lying. It's about respecting tradition and the democratic process.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Yeah, screw real people...tradition deserves more respect than they do.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan America has gotten rid of all sorts of traditions. Slavery, denying votes to women and minorities. And every time one of these old bigoted things is knocked down, there are some crying crocodile tears about how losing this "tradition" will ruin the nation. They've been wrong throughout history, the bigots. They're wrong about gay marriage, too. Maybe being wrong is a tradition some bigots like to cling to, just for old time's sake?
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm unfamiliar with the tradition of tearing people's marriages and families asunder in the name of god and christ.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Man, I can't wait till Christ returns. I really can't. Let Him come NOW!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Man, I can't wait till Christ returns. I really can't. Let Him come NOW!" And then when he says- "what's the matter with you Mormons, what about the Golden Rule?" - what happens then?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <And then when he says- "what's the matter with you Mormons, what about the Golden Rule?" - what happens then?> He won't call us Mormons. He'll call us members of His church, and he'll ask us to repent of our sins and He'll show gratitude for the good we've done to spread His word. Merry Christmas!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "He won't call us Mormons. He'll call us members of His church, and he'll ask us to repent of our sins and He'll show gratitude for the good we've done to spread His word." There's always hell.
Originally Posted By Ursula <I'm unfamiliar with the tradition of tearing people's marriages and families asunder in the name of god and christ. > Amen, sister.
