Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1wSZBTAXRs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...SZBTAXRs</a> This couldn't be a more perfect example of the Republican noise machine. Kevin James (not the actor) just keeps yelling and repeating himself over and over, looking more and more foolish.
Originally Posted By X-san What an idiot. He could've gotten out of that, too, even given the fact he had no clue what he was talking about. In fact, I'm surprised he was too dumb to even try. A simple "look, he was an appeaser of Hitler and you can read any history textbook if you want a point by point accounting of what he did wrong. In any case...". Wouldn't have totally helped, but it would've been better than what happened. Or, even cooler, would have been him saying "You're asking for specifics and I can't cite any off the top of my head, but we're all well aware of the general tone of appeasement he offered towards Germany" How dreadful...the TRUTH! Great link, ec. I don't know HOW this got sunk way to the bottom of the list!
Originally Posted By X-san Watching again, he could've gotten out even easier if he'd just said "he did a lot of things wrong, which one are YOU referring to?". Anyway, grave dug. Game over. Moron.
Originally Posted By DlandDug If Kevin James (of whom this Republican had never heard) were even remotely a spokesman for the GOP, I would agree that he would lead the "NOISE" machine. As hilarious as this is, bear in mind that Mr. James is a rather obscure host of a 9-11pm radio show in LA (I had to look this up). Previous to this, he hosted "Red Eye Radio" (1-5am), and previous to that was a drive time host in Oklahoma City. Challenging this guy's intellect is the equivalent of tripping a dwarf. I also note that he was at one point in his career a federal prosecutor. I wonder how many contempt of court citations he received for attempting to simply outshout his opponents...
Originally Posted By ecdc >>If Kevin James (of whom this Republican had never heard) were even remotely a spokesman for the GOP, I would agree that he would lead the "NOISE" machine.<< Except no one called him a spokesperson. One certainly does not need to be a spokesperson to be a part of the noise machine. Of course, Mr. James resembles men like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, who are also a big part of the noise machine. When it's convenient for them, Republicans like to disavow these people, insisting that they don't speak for them and aren't really officially part of the party. When it's also convenient, Republicans embrace these people, proudly trumpeting how much better their ratings are than, say, Air America. And let's not forget how many times Dick Cheney has been interviewed on Rush Limbaugh's show. Nope, Kevin James, regardless of his popularity, looks like an awful lot of Republicans who don't understand history. Like those, say, foolish enough to compare 21st century Muslim terrorists to Adolf Hitler.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>When it's convenient for them, Republicans like to disavow these people...<< No, when gazing on the bumbling buffoonery of an obsurity this Republican will cheerfully disavow these people. What I find odd in this is just WHO gets to determine who is speaking for the GOP. Whoever it is, it's kind of silly to elect Mr. Strawman and his sister Sue...
Originally Posted By ecdc >>What I find odd in this is just WHO gets to determine who is speaking for the GOP. Whoever it is, it's kind of silly to elect Mr. Strawman and his sister Sue...<< What I find odd in this is an attempt to disavow conservative talk radio hosts from the GOP. Let's say Kevin James isn't part of the GOP. Is Rush? Hannity? Coulter? O'Reilly? What more moderate Republicans have missed while they've been so busy defending the party is that they aren't in charge anymore. The people in charge are the fans of Rush and Hannity. Hence Cheney on Limbaugh's show and pulling the White House press secretary straight from Fox News. And then getting one who doesn't even know what the Cuban Missile Crisis was (another proud Bush Administration moment). Kevin James made an ass out of himself and now it's a big YouTube hit, so it's little wonder the GOP would like to insist he's no part of them. But conservative talk radio is undoubtedly a huge part of the Republican party.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "It's a good thing the Democrats don't have a noise machine." If you're talking about Air America, then it's the equivalent of a four cylinder 1979 Datsun with an oil leak. Kevin James used to sit in quite often for the day time hosts on KABC, and every now and was a call-in guest for Hannity, since Hannity's show in LA is on KABC. He also got a lot of exposure on Larry Elder, another syndicated show. They wanted to groom him for the "big-time" so to speak, which is why he still frequently goes over the top, as he's been encouraged to do so, by the same people that were and are "grooming" him. He's not as obscure as one might think. The reason I know this is one of the people I carpool with listens to the station. He's such buffoon that I had to ask someone I know who works at a sister television station about him after I first heard him. He's now moved over to a station with a weaker signal, thankfully, but still manages to get himself on various talking head programs.
Originally Posted By dshyates Unfortunately, there are very opinionated and ill informed idiots on both sides. The whole thing here is its fun to watch someone who knows the score berate an ignorant blow hard. You may hate Chris Matthews guts, but you can't say he is ill informed. So, be honest guys, who here new who Neville Chamberlain was and what he did, without the Googlwiki. I didn't, but therefore I wouldn't have used him as a reference. Mr. James didn't research his "talking points". And he got caught. Neville Chamberlain was the British Prime Minister from 1937-1940. In 1939 he signed the Munich Agreement conceding part of Czechoslovakia to Hitler. This was to "appease" Hitler. In 1940, when Hitler invaded France, the Netherlands, and Belgium, Chamberlain was forced to resign. He was succeeded by Winston Churchill.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>So, be honest guys, who here new who Neville Chamberlain was and what he did, without the Googlwiki. I didn't, but therefore I wouldn't have used him as a reference. Mr. James didn't research his "talking points". And he got caught.<< I'm really not trying to be rude, but I think a lot of people are very familiar with the Chamberlain story and the appeasement of Hitler. It's very easy to compare and contrast Chamberlain and Churchill, so it's a more popular story than just dry history. HBO had a dramatization of it a few years ago, and Neville Chamberlain has practically become synonymous with weakness and appeasement. So I think a lot of Americans are familiar with at least the generalities of the story. Obama has fired back on Bush's comments, pointing out that Nixon met with Mao and JFK met with Krushchev. However, this isn't really a fair retort since Bush probably has never heard of Mao or Krushchev. Though maybe he's had more time to read since he's made that giant sacrifice of giving up golf.
Originally Posted By dshyates I knew that Chamberlian was the British prime Minister, and knew he was the poster boy for appeasement. But I didn't know exactly what he had done. I do think there is a big difference in appeasement and diplomacy.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I knew who Neville Chamberlain was, and I knew the answer to Matthews' question. And I'm no super genius. I did, however, pay a little bit attention in high school history. Aye carumba, this video is exactly what many of us have been saying for some time -- talk radio really can make you dumber. What a maroon. But it's really that sort of whipped up bluster that is killing the GOP. I don't for a minute think this is representative of most Republicans. But it is a pretty accurate glimpse of the empty rhetoric of talk radio. It's all about invented outrage. This clown has heard Neville Chamberlain trotted out time and again, to the point that the name is nothing but a buzz word, red meat lacking meaning. He may say he supports Israel, but I bet he has little idea why. Way to go, Mr. Matthews.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 What many people don't know about Neville Chamberlain: he was a Conservative. I know this because I've gotten into discussions more than once with people who, getting desperate, brought up the Hitler card. Then brought up the "you have to be tough with these people, but liberals just want to appease, like Chamberlain." When told Chamberlain was a Conservative, more than once they simply didn't believe it. Said I was lying, or didn't know my history. Because this is the kind of thing the noise machine feeds them.
Originally Posted By friendofdd Well, as an independent, I certainly believe this person represents the entire Republican Party. I also believe that talk show host Bernie Ward represents the entire Democrat Party.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I don't think anyone said he was representative of the Republican Party, but rather that he was representative of the "noise machine" which is most pervasive on talk radio. There's an (attempted) Democratic noise machine too, (Air America and etc.) but it's not nearly so large or well organized.
Originally Posted By planodisney I love how people come on here and post about the right wing, and how the moderates need to take back the Republican party. Why do I love this? Because most of the liberals making these accusations on here represent the far left of the Democratic party and wouldnt know the center of a circle.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 A number of the people saying so are themselves moderates, (RT, kar2oonman) and self-identified Republicans (I believe WilliamK99 has said things to this effect, as has DAR and vbdad55).
Originally Posted By mele Wow, someone with a louder, more irritating voice than Chris Matthews. Who knew?
