Originally Posted By DAR Well tis the season. <a href="http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/110976339.html" target="_blank">http://www.jsonline.com/news/c...339.html</a>
Originally Posted By LPFan22 You're putting up so many happy stories today, DAR. Thanks for being positive!
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I don't stop for receipt-checkers because I'm not a thief, but I wouldn't push them down. I'd wait for them to assault me or detain me illegally
Originally Posted By fkurucz I've never seen anyone checked for a recipt at our local WalMart. Maybe shoplifting isn't a big issue out here.
Originally Posted By DAR The Wal Mart where that occurred while not in a bad part of Milwaukee does attract some undesirables to that store. There is some good news, the greeter plans on returning to work next week. And part of me can't help but think that if this had happened to a 25 year old Wal Mart greeter(well it wouldn't be a news story)that person would have tried to claim disability and be out of work for as long as possible.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<And part of me can't help but think that if this had happened to a 25 year old Wal Mart greeter(well it wouldn't be a news story)that person would have tried to claim disability and be out of work for as long as possible.>> You really hate the working class, don't you, DAR?
Originally Posted By DAR The WWII generation had a better work ethic than people in my generation. It's a fact.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox No, it is not. That is a myth perpetrated by the far right in order to justify corporations offshoring jobs or demanding a ceiling raise in H1-B visas. Per worker productivity in this country has been steadily increasing since Reagan. FACT. It's higher now than it's ever been in this country. Go look it up if you doubt me. The post-war "work ethic" as you call it is still alive and well, as evidenced by those productivity statistics.
Originally Posted By DAR You're wrong, subsequent generations have been lazier because they expect to have everything given to them, they think they're entitled.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>You're wrong, subsequent generations have been lazier because they expect to have everything given to them, they think they're entitled.<< Then how do you account for increased productivity? Did you know that the average American now puts in more hours at work than the average Japanese worker? Also, the "greatest generation" was paid by the hour and they got overtime. Today's wage slaves are salaried and work tons of unpaid overtime (which is where the "increased productivity" comes from). Heck, my dad put in 40 hour work weeks with ocassional paid overtime when I was growing up. When my brother and I tell him of all the unpaid overtime we have worked he is stunned. My brother really has it bad, as he often puts 70 hours or more a week. As for being entitled, the "greatest generation" had pesnions waiting for them in their old age. In all my working years I only ever worked at one place that offered pensions to its workers (and the cancelled it). Heck, most younger workers aren't even expecting to collect Social Security. That's entitled?
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<You really hate the working class, don't you, DAR?<< I think he hates young people. I find it amsusing that DAR thinks that the young ones have an entitlement mentality when they don't even expect to collect Social Security later in their lives. The WW2 generation, they got pensions and they got way more out of Social Security than they ever put into it.
Originally Posted By DAR No I hate lazy people. This woman should be applauded for still wanting to work at her age.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<This woman should be applauded for still wanting to work at her age.>> While its great that there is a job available for someone that age who wants to work, are you somehow insinuating that people who actually want to retire at 65, or whatever, are somehow lazy?
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Wait - did you read this part? From the article - "Speelman said Monday that her employers treat her well but that she works because she needs the money." Do you really want America to be a country where a 100-year-old has to work because "they need the money"?? REALLY?
Originally Posted By ecdc It reminds me of President Bush talking about how great it was that a woman needed to work three jobs. "Only in America, huh!" Yes President Howdy-Doody, only in America. The fake notion of laziness is from a culture that values money and capitalism over family and leisure. I think it sucks, but then, I don't get to influence the discourse now do I. So we have a culture that places most of the burden on workers. They're expected to work hard, be honest, suck it up and take it, while anything employers do is "just business." Offshoring jobs? Hey, we need to turn a profit for our investors. Cutting back benefits? See above. Requiring longer hours? See above. Laying off senior employees to bring in cheaper new hires? See above. People who commit the sin of wanting to spend more time with their family, traveling, enjoying the short time they have in life, or god forbid, retire to rest in their old age? Just lazy.
Originally Posted By fkurucz "The fake notion of laziness is from a culture that values money and capitalism over family and leisure: Read "Deer Hunting With Jesus". It covers how the working poor have been hoodwinked.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Your opinions might carry more weight if they were backed up by facts and not anecdotes. And speaking of anecdotes, I'll share one of my own. I know a young guy who just graduated from college with a teaching degree. Unfortunately he chose a bad time to graduate as there are no openings in the school districts in his neck of the woods. This poor guy is saddled with student loans and he is working three menial part time jobs to pay them and his other bills. Next semester he's going back to grad school, hoping to make himself more attractive for when the school districts possibly hire in the future. The work ethic is alive and well in the USA. What is lacking is opportunity. And as long as globalization and offshoring continue we will remain on our downward slide. What will be interesting will be to see how 2 million Americans will cope now that there unemployment benefits will run out.
