Originally Posted By donnyaz My wife and I watched an HBO special "Tall dark and Chicano" last night staring George Lopez and we were shocked to find out how hateful he was to white people.George is very direct and toward the very end he shouts out "La Raza" (translation "the race") wich is the equal to the KKK. watch it you be the judge.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 It is OK to be a racist in America, as long as you are not white.... My post isn't intended to spark controversy, it's just the sad fact of the matter in America these days.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 La Raza is not the equal to the KKK. Has La Raza lynched anybody lately? Burned down any churches with people inside lately? Hyperbole doesn't help your argument here. Nor is it a "fact" that it's "okay" to be racist if you're not white. I'm fine calling out racism (when it's actual racism) when it comes from anybody, as are many people here. I haven't seen the Lopez thing, so I can't speak to it specifically. I do find that some white people, though, can scream "racism" with the same promiscuity as some black or Latino or Asian people can. For instance, some called Sotomayor "racist" for following the law as written in CT. Now maybe you think it was a bad law, and there's a case to be made for it. But she followed the law as written in that case (ironically, refusing to overturn the law and create new law, which conservatives typically term "legislating from the bench..." but only when they disagree with the decision). And from that, we get people screaming "racism." It doesn't make those people look any better than when Al Sharpton, say, screams "racism" at a situation that doesn't warrant it. It becomes like crying wolf after a while, and diminishes the actual instances of racism that still occur.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones His routine on Disneyland churros being too expensive is the best. Lick it and pass it, lick it and pass it. I'm Hispanic and if you want to make fun of Hispanic people in this thread, go for it. If Lopez is making fun of white people, it's only fair. When I used to go to my grandmother's house the neighbors in the duplex next door had chickens in their backyard. This wasn't a the countryside or anything. This was Anaheim. What is it, a pet or dinner? I never could figure it out.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones One time I left a video game at my grandma's house and it went missing. I have a sneaking suspicion one of my cousins stole it. That narrows it down to, let's see, about 50 people.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "My wife and I watched an HBO special "Tall dark and Chicano" last night staring George Lopez and we were shocked to find out how hateful he was to white people.George is very direct and toward the very end he shouts out "La Raza" (translation "the race") wich is the equal to the KKK. watch it you be the judge." I don't find Lopez to be funny in the slightest, but racist? No. And see Dabob's explanation re: La Raza, because you have no understanding of the term whatsoever.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza</a> A good an explanation as any.
Originally Posted By donnyaz Here in Arizona many of the M13 (Mexican Mafia) Gangs have switched from the M13 to "La Raza" so when I speak of "La Raza"I am talking of the side wich is Hispanic empowerment.This is also becoming a popular tatto that gang members are putting on there necks.I think this La Raza is a many headed monster that you can look at anyway you want.It worries me that mexican youth may choose seggragation over assimilation. But Yes George Lopez is a racesist.what I mean is he would like to see the hispanic race over take the white race not live in harmony
Originally Posted By Dabob2 How, exactly, does one race "take over" another? And how, specifically, has George Lopez suggested this happen? Also, Irish gang members in NY as recently as the 70's often tattooed "Erin" on themselves. Does that mean "Erin" is a bad thing, or that one couldn't take pride in being Irish without being a gang member?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 All I am saying is if I were to scream out "White Power" in a public forum, I would immediately be labeled a racist, even if I am just showing pride in my race. There is more tolerance for other races doing the exact same thing which is total hypocritical...
Originally Posted By barboy ///There is more tolerance for other races doing the exact same thing which is total hypocritical.../// You bet! If Spike Lee, Charles Barkley or Chris Rock would have told a "joke" like "nappy headed ho's" it wouldn't have been much of a story. But since white Imus said it, look out! Suddenly it's front page material. Now to be fair if Barkley would have said a comment like that live during an NBA playoff game then I'm sure he would have regretted it and there would have been some retribution on some level.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>All I am saying is if I were to scream out "White Power" in a public forum, I would immediately be labeled a racist, even if I am just showing pride in my race.<< Tell ya what ... go right ahead and do it if it makes you feel better. It doesn't look like it'll be much longer before it's socially acceptable - even encouraged - in some circles.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 >>All I am saying is if I were to scream out "White Power" in a public forum, I would immediately be labeled a racist, even if I am just showing pride in my race.<< Tell ya what ... go right ahead and do it if it makes you feel better. It doesn't look like it'll be much longer before it's socially acceptable - even encouraged - in some circles.<< Other races already do it in America and it is already socially acceptable for them....and always encouraged, look at the Reverend Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et all....
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Other races already do it in America and it is already socially acceptable for them....and always encouraged, look at the Reverend Wright, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, et all....<< Super duper. Like I said, you'll get your chance any minute now. Enjoy. Party hearty.
Originally Posted By Mr X Are you seriously comparing a bunch of white supremacists in their robes and hoods to the "black power" movement of the 60's designed to instill pride in an oppressed peoples and allow them to cast of the shackles of (white) oppression? For real?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones WilliamK99, certain groups ruined white pride and white power. White people could have pride in their race and its history, if it wasn't something to be so ashamed of.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones So yeah, you could shout white pride, but you would always have to say white pride*. *Not affiliated with *those* guys.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <All I am saying is if I were to scream out "White Power" in a public forum, I would immediately be labeled a racist, even if I am just showing pride in my race. > You DO recognize the history of that phrase, don't you, and what it represents, right? You do recognize that saying it would naturally conjure up that history, regardless of your intent, just as you couldn't shout "Heil Hitler" on stage and claim that you were referring to Vic Hitler, a personal friend of yours and helluva nice guy, right? Now everyone understands that, presumably. And everyone presumably understands that somebody saying "Viva Italia!" in front of a predominantly Italian audience is just expressing a little harmless ethnic pride. So where does saying "La Raza" on stage fall between those two extremes? I'm not sure, but I would say closer to the latter than the former. Why? Because, like it or not, shouts of "White Power!" represent a history of violent repression, murder, state-sanctioned segregation, denial of basic rights like voting, and even today intimidation and violence towards those who believe in racial equality. When you can show an equivalent history for "La Raza," you'd have a point. Until you can, frankly you don't.
Originally Posted By ecdc Sign me up for everything Dabob2 has written. You hear this all the time from the poor beleaguered white race. "If I did that I'd be in trouble!" It's so terribly oversimplified. X nailed it: there's a huge difference between the past racism of majority groups who oppressed minorities, and minorities finally gaining a foothold and taking pride in their ethnicity.
