Originally Posted By DAR Thought I'd break up the Palinpalooza talk with this: <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/war_on_terror/war_on_terror_update" target="_blank">http://www.rasmussenreports.co...r_update</a>
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I wonder if Americans can name any other imperialist nations from history that have endured long-term success?
Originally Posted By fkurucz All your base are belong to us Or to make it more contemporary All you debt are belong to us
Originally Posted By velo >>In a national telephone survey Monday night, 41% said history will rate the war in Iraq a success versus 39% who said it will be seen as a failure, with 20% undecided<< Well, I wouldn't call it an overwhelming result.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy The unintended consequences of this war pretty much doom it to failure regardless of the outcome on the battlefield.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The unintended consequences of this war pretty much doom it to failure regardless of the outcome on the battlefield.>> Such as??
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Wow, 41% sucess vs 39% failure....I'm sure Bush is patting himself on the back over that one . Well, at least the sucess rate his higher than his approval ratings.
Originally Posted By Mr X Oh, come on Sport Goofy...some REAL consequences please. Something that actually MATTERS. <--rolls eyes.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The destruction of our Bill of Rights.>> Last I checked it was still there. If Bush did anything truly unconstitutional, why has no one challenged it? You would think there would be ten thousand lawyers ready to take the thing to court if they thought they had a chance. <<Bankruptcy of the United States.>> The United States is not bankrupt. Far from it. A few Wall Street banks are bankrupt. Big difference. <<Continued energy dependency in the Middle East.>> And the war has changed this HOW??? We would have had continued energy dependency on the Middle East anyway... perhaps more. Now we have enough people over there pissed at us that we are looking for alternative sources a little more seriously. Nice try but no cigar. Maybe you need to be a little more serious next time. ;-)
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << If Bush did anything truly unconstitutional, why has no one challenged it? >> Bush was challenged by the Guantanamo Bay detainees, and he lost in the Supreme Court. That's OK, Bush had a bill sent to Congress to change the law to allow the continued denial of habeas corpus rights. Let's not forget the wiretapping and spying on American citizens. If you don't realize that your Constitution has been undermined, you are part and parcel to the destruction of our republic. << The United States is not bankrupt. Far from it. >> If the government actually accounted for the entitlements it is promising the Baby Boomers, the books would be bankrupt. We conveniently neglect to include those items in the accounting ledger -- although we require corporations to account for those things in their bookkeeping. I hope you aren't relying on that Social Security to get you through your old age. According to the Bush philosophy, the government will just stop paying entitlements when it runs out of money. I used to think that was something 30 or 40 years down the road, but the current economic crisis and continued deficit spending in Iraq makes me think we'll see that day a lot sooner than anyone expects. << ow we have enough people over there pissed at us that we are looking for alternative sources a little more seriously. >> How can we seriously embark on a project like that when we are spending all of our resources fighting imperialistic wars in the Middle East? We've squandered our money that could have been spent developing alternate energy on standing armies in the desert. Now, we're broke and can't afford a military or an energy policy.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I disagree, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion. 1) Once again, if truly unconstitutional if would have been overturned by the Supreme Court. 2) The government will do like it does with everything else. Wait until the last minute and then fix it. I also think the boomer problem is perhaps over-estimated. Sure you've got people like me opting for early retirement. But like many, my wife and I intend to continue working. We just want to work at something we like instead of something that pays a lot. That means that we will still be paying into SSN for quite a while. Many boomers are doing this, starting second careers or even small businesses after "retiring". 3) The whole energy thing is not going to be solved by the government. It will, as usual, be solved by our research universities in conjunction with private industry. You can't say that because we spent $$ here it won't be spent there.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Last I checked it was still there. If Bush did anything truly unconstitutional, why has no one challenged it?*** Honestly? I think it's because they fear him. I really do.
