Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5irE1uIeQpuJ-eWer1kwCH6jbfFjAD918R2L01" target="_blank">http://ap.google.com/article/A...918R2L01</a> Wow. At this rate, we'll have hundreds of Fox News threads by the end of the election. You'd think they'd at least attempt to cover up their conservative bias.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well two wrongs don't make a right, but this comes from the very same link... <<<Hillary Clinton's campaign was angered by what it described as the pro-Obama tilt of some MSNBC commentators. Amid protests, MSNBC's Chris Matthews said he was wrong this winter to say Clinton was a candidate because "her husband messed around." >>>
Originally Posted By DVC_dad FOX is brazen, and I'm not defending comments like these. It's not just FOX.
Originally Posted By dshyates I thought Shuster's "pimp" comment was simply an off handed comment. Did he have a lower third graphic that said Bill and Hill "Pimp" out Chelsea.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 What's hilarious is they tried to put the "baby mama" remark in the mouths of "outraged liberals," as though some liberals somewhere had put it that way: "Hey! Stop picking on Obama's baby mama!" So they won't even own their own words. Somebody at Fox made a conscious decision to run that phrase, and had to stretch to get there, considering "Stop picking on Obama's wife" would be the obvious phrase to use. It seems an attempt to "ghetto-ize" the Obamas or point out their "otherness" to nervous whites. Here's a link that shows the graphic: <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Outrage_directed_at_Fox_over_baby_0612.html" target="_blank">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/...612.html</a>
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Here is a crazy thought. Why not just ignore FOX news? That is what I do with Olberman and MSNBC. Seriously...ok they are biased...about as biased as any other US media outlet these days. Times, Post, CNN, FOX, I could go on and on. What is REALLY funny is when folks start picking on organizations for being both too liberal AND too conservative. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel gets that a lot. I guess in those cases the media is probably doing something right. But, I mean, seriously...if your mission in life is to point out every shortcoming of FOX...have at it. It just seems a bit...well...wasteful. Those who like FOX won't change their opinions and those who don't like FOX won't either. What's the end game here? I'm a conservative who doesn't like O'Reilly or Limbaugh. So, I tend to watch CNN most of the time. But, they have as many biased "reporters/analysts/commentators" as anyone else. What do I gain by pointing that out? Nothing.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's okay to point out examples of bias, I think. Millions of people watch each of these outlets, and form their opinions from them. (God help us, but it's true). I don't mind the O'Reillys and Olbermans so much on one level: they're above board about being commentators. They're giving their spin on the news, and that's okay if they're open about it. (True, O'Reilly calls his a "no spin zone" with a straight face, but I don't think even most right-wingers believe that.) What's more annoying to me are examples of bias in what is supposed to be "straight" news reporting, and especially the little insidious things like a "super" (graphic) that by definition looks "neutral" - just words on a screen after all, without a person visible behind them - that try to skew someone's view of someone else. And this "Obama's baby mama" thing is a perfect example.
Originally Posted By X-san ***Seriously...ok they are biased...about as biased as any other US media outlet these days. Too dismissive..Wahoo I expect better than that (meaning, I respect your opinion fwiw, please don't engage in debating games like so many other cons do). That is akin to saying "sure, Geoffrey Dahmer was horrible. but so aren't all the other killers out there". If you researched further, sure you could pull up the likes of a John Wayne Gacy or a Ted Bundy but FOR THE MOST part, you're talking about a horse of an entirely different color. I agree, the media in the U.S. sucks these days, so bad it's like a terrible joke without a punchline (in other words, PURE PROPAGANDA)...infotainment without a shred of old school credibility to say the least, BUT in this case we're talking about the worst of the worst. And getting worse all the time, it seems. What a world.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Here is a crazy thought. Why not just ignore FOX news? That is what I do with Olberman and MSNBC.>> You know if you have Direct TV, you can actually program your favorite channels and delete one's you don't want to watch. That's one way you can ignore any of the news stations. <<But they still have the right to exist, damnit!>> Yes even if you don't like them, their voice, no matter how wrong is still needed.
Originally Posted By X-san "needed"? Why? Do we "need" to hear what the ku klux klan has to say as well? Your argument is strange and scary, dar.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper It isn't meant to be dismissive. I'm just saying what is the point of pointing out the obvious? I don't think any less of Britney Spears b/c the "press" keeps hammering her. I don't care and I tune it all out. If you don't like FOX...tune it out. MTV became irrelevant to me a long time ago. I could spend my days pointing out how bad MTV has become...but to what end? I won't change MTV nor anyone's opinion about MTV so why spend my energy on that?
Originally Posted By DAR <<"needed"? Why?>> Because for some they do present a different take on the news. It's really simple a lot of people don't like Fox because the invaded the safe status quo that the the ABC,CBS, CNN and NBC provided <<Do we "need" to hear what the ku klux klan has to say as well? Your argument is strange and scary, dar.>> First of all don't even tell me that you're comparing Fox News to the kkk. I know you're not that obtuse. And yes we do need to hear what the ku klux klan or the nation of Islam have to say. Because like or not this country gives us freedom of speech and the best/worst thing for rest of us to hear is the hate that pours out of groups like these. So then we can properly shun that way of thinking.
Originally Posted By X-san ***First of all don't even tell me that you're comparing Fox News to the kkk.*** No, but just a half-step away at times. Funny. We both used "obtuse" in different posts in different threads at the same time. Weird.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, maybe it is semantics DAR but I would say we don't need to HEAR what they have to say...but, we need to ALLOW them to say it.
Originally Posted By X-san ***Because for some they do present a different take on the news.*** Whatever happened to simple, honest journalism. R.I.P., I guess.
Originally Posted By X-san ***And yes we do need to hear what the ku klux klan or the nation of Islam have to say. Because like or not this country gives us freedom of speech and the best/worst thing for rest of us to hear is the hate that pours out of groups like these. So then we can properly shun that way of thinking.*** Okay, I *think* I get where you're coming from on this. For the record I am not advocating, nor do I wish to see, fox news or any other show removed from the airwaves through legal means. Is that what you THINK I'm trying to say? If so, the answer is no. My personal argument against them has as much to do with the sheer number of idiots that buy into what they have to say (thus keeping them on the air, racism, slander and apologies notwithstanding).
Originally Posted By X-san And yes, post 16 is certainly correct. The sad thing is that they are popular enough to remain viable. I hope that I have NEVER suggested they should be banned from speaking, or shut down by passing some law. Absolutely not! (that's George Bush's domain, not mine) I just think that everyone should wake up to the smell of BS in the morning (afternoon, and evening) and stop tuning in. Then they would go away, that much is a guarantee. But like so much other BS, lots of people enjoy it (and they enjoy Jerry Springer, and all that other garbage...EXCEPT Jerry isn't posing as "news"...kind of different in a way, but not TOO different these days). *sigh* Whatever happened to regular, honest journalism?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>If you don't like FOX...tune it out.<< This isn't quite the same though as simply not liking a TV station for its content and turning it off. I do tune out of Fox News. I'm pretty sure my TV hasn't been on the channel in more than 5 years. But it's on at my work all morning long. I have friends and family members who watch it and accept what the present as "news." So it's worth pointing out the significant bias. I also think it's unfair, as people are often quick to do in these situations, to simply say "Oh, well the other news stations have their bias too." I can agree that CNN or, less so, MSNBC, have anchors or reporters who lean left. But I think this is from a worldview that gives them a particular perspective. It's going to be very difficult to be familiar with the realities of Iraq or the economy and not offer a view that isn't in line with conservative rhetoric. I don't think they're out there (excepting commentators like Olbermann) campaigning for Obama. Fox News, on the other hand, repeatedly seems to demonstrate that it is specifically for the Republican party and against specific people. I have yet to see reporting from other news stations that suggests they are acting in opposition to McCain. But Fox News is clearly reporting in opposition to an Obama presidency.
