Originally Posted By dagobert I put this article in the Disneyland Paris section, because it is mostly about Disney's European parks. It is a very interesting read and it shows, that DLP is still valuable for TWDC. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2014/07/14/the-secrets-behind-disneys-2-2-billion-theme-park-profits/">http://www.forbes.com/sites/cs...profits/</a> The topic about the DLP hotels is also interesting, but I'm not sure if the article correct. It seems the Disney hotels don't need a licence from TWDC to be a Disney hotel. Now I'm wondering why ED SCA is putting Disney characters all over them. That means they have to pay now.
Originally Posted By u k fan I wonder if they do. It's possible that under the agreement they can have character touches and still not ultimately be considered Disney themed. Santa Fe is still technically the Hotel Santa Fe not Cars Hotel and the Sequoia isn't Hotel Bambi. I'm wondering if they get round it on a technicality?!!!
Originally Posted By u k fan I predict a Hollytwood themed hotel near WDSP next as it fits the theme of the park and the theme of American locations as inspiration for the hotels!!!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "It seems the Disney hotels don't need a licence from TWDC to be a Disney hotel." With the exception of The Disneyland Hotel are the other properties marketed as "Disney New York" hotel or "Disney Santa Fe" hotel? If not, then they may not pay for licensing for anything other than the use of Disney characters. OAN, I'm wondering about some of the information in this article, which I'm too lazy to research. This struck me as particularly odd: "It reveals that Disneyland Paris, which was once seen as a poor relation to its bigger brothers in the United States, is now one of the top performers. In fact, it has generated more than $700 million in profits since opening in 1992 and made $85.7 million last year alone." How is that possible? Hasn't DLP been bleeding money on and off since it opened? Are they talking about profits to The WDCo from royalties paid by Euro Disney, or has Euro Disney really been that profitable? Someone help me understand.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>How is that possible? Hasn't DLP been bleeding money on and off since it opened? Are they talking about profits to The WDCo from royalties paid by Euro Disney, or has Euro Disney really been that profitable? Someone help me understand.<<< AFAIK, ED SCA performed very well from the beginning, but they blew off all the money because of the 2 billion Euros debt. The interest rate was almost killing the resort, that's why they had to do so many financial restructurings. Besides that they built too many hotelrooms. If they would have only built two or three, there wouldn't have been so many problems. They even had to close some hotels during the first winter seasons. Additionally construction costs would have been lower as well. The opening of SM saved the resort and ED SCA started to earn money, but then they had the stupid idea to build a second park and added another 600 mio Euros to the debt. I know they had to build the park, otherwise Disney would have lost the land rights. The interest rate went up again and after 9/11 the tourism broke down. TWDC could have earned even more with DLP, if they hadn't lowered the licence fees due to the high interest rates. But now TWDC bought the debts from the banks and ED SCA has to repay the debts to TWDC instead of the banks. ED SCA has more time to do that and that allowed DLP to add 500 mio Euros to the resorts. That's why they were building Ratatouille and started to refurb the hotels and the parks.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>Santa Fe is still technically the Hotel Santa Fe not Cars Hotel and the Sequoia isn't Hotel Bambi. I'm wondering if they get round it on a technicality?!!!<<< That could be the reason. Now I'm even more wondering, why ED SCA wasn't building more hotels in recent years. I mean there opened so many Disney Partner hotels around the resort. I guess money was the reason, like always when it comes to DLP. The partner hotels added the needed capacity, but ED SCA didn't have to invest any money. I'm also hoping for a Hollywood themed hotel. They should just copy the one from HKDL, because I really like its look. But I would put it between NPBC and Disney Village. That ugly white Disney Business Solutions tent should be removed.
Originally Posted By u k fan I would hope for something less high-rise than the one in Hong Kong, but I also like the theming there. My guess is it will be a deluxe with exclusive access to WDSP. Perhaps as it's going to be on the backlot side some suites or even a wing based on Marvel would be a good way to link them together?!!!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Dagobert that's the most concise recap of Euro Disney's financial situation I've read. Thanks.
