Originally Posted By gadzuux Associated Press Updated: 45 minutes ago Excerpts - WASHINGTON - A rebellious Senate committee defied President Bush on Thursday and approved terror-detainee legislation he has vowed to block, deepening Republican conflict over terrorism and national security in the middle of election season. The internal GOP struggle intensified along other fronts, too, as Colin Powell, Bush’s first secretary of state, declared his opposition to the president’s plan. “The world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,†Powell wrote in a letter. Powell said that Bush’s bill, by redefining the kind of treatment the Geneva Conventions allow, “would add to those doubts. Furthermore, it would put our own troops at risk.â€
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Ya beat me to it. Here's a CNN link, complete with a brief summary, just for jonvn. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/14/congress.tribunals/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI CS/09/14/congress.tribunals/index.html</a> • New: Senate committee's tribunal bill allows suspects to see secret evidence • Colin Powell letter opposes reinterpretation of Geneva Conventions • President Bush visits Capitol, thanks House committee for passing tribunal plan • Key senators oppose Bush's tribunal plan, saying it could endanger U.S. forces
Originally Posted By gadzuux So it appears that the senate is finally starting to grow a pair. It's looking more unlikely that bush will be able to undermine the geneva conventions, obtain a pass against war crime indictments, or continue to deny due process to the guantanamo detainees. And this is because the GOP itself is rejecting these requests. An emboldened colin powell is stepping forward to criticize the president publicly. Three cheers for him. The white house response? >> White House spokesman Tony Snow said, “The president will not accept something that shuts the program down†for interrogating detainees. His comments came a day after National Intelligence Director John Negroponte told reporters that the Senate plan would be likely to end the CIA interrogation and detention program. << What a shame. And what does bush mean that "he won't accept" the senate's refusal to pass his corrupt little bill? Does that mean he'll veto it? I dare him. That would be the best gift he could give to the democratic party. Let's hope this comes to a head before 11/7.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Here's another part I liked ... >> Firing back [at powell's comments], White House spokesman Tony Snow said Powell was confused about the White House plan. << That's it - powell just doesn't understand the white house's position. How insulting.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "That's it - powell just doesn't understand the white house's position. How insulting." Naw, that's okay, likely Bush doesn't either. He just knows what Cheney tells him. Remember when Bush tried to explain "his" Social Security plan? THAT had to be embarrassing.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<So it appears that the senate is finally starting to grow a pair.>>> After puberty nothing grows much more.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy I see the same people are once again celebrating the terrorist bill of rights that is being pushed by liberals and ACLU republicans. I know you people hate Bush, but why would you celebrate a victory for the terrorists, because this is exactly what this is. Nice job intellectuals. Way to back policy that can get you and all of us killed. The terrorists thank you.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^^Better to just do large-scale executions of the terrorists eh Beau?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder The Democratcic agenda thread was predictably closed after the usual eruption. I have taken the liberty of copying and pasting this as it relates to addressing terror. "<<REAL SECURITY AT HOME AND OVERSEAS Reclaim American leadership with a tough, smart plan to transform failed Bush Administration policies in Iraq, the Middle East and around the world. Require the Iraqis to take responsibility for their country and begin the phased redeployment of US forces from Iraq in 2006. Double the size of Special Forces to destroy Osama Bin Laden and terrorist networks like al Qaeda. Rebuild a state-of-the-art military capable of projecting power wherever necessary. Implement the bipartisan 9/11 Commission proposal to secure America’s borders and ports and screen 100% of containers. Fully man, train, and equip our National Guard and our police, firefighters and other first responders. Honor our commitments to our veterans." A strong, sensible idea.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Why is this a sensible idea? Why are you celebrating a win for the terrorists again? The reason the GOP wins and Bush is bouncing back in the polls is because America can see that people like you and other liberals like you think Bush is the guy to beat and not the throat cutting, children killing terrorist. I wonder if you can actually explain your postion for once or if you will go back to your usual method of avoiding any discussion other than putting people down.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Why is this a sensible idea? Why are you celebrating a win for the terrorists again?>> Give me the damned quote Beau. I want to know WHERE someone celebrated a win for the terrorists. And don't try changing the subject like the last time I asked you to back something up. Give me the quote, or its woodshed time again for you fella.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>I see the same people are once again celebrating the terrorist bill of rights that is being pushed by liberals and ACLU republicans. I know you people hate Bush, but why would you celebrate a victory for the terrorists, because this is exactly what this is. Nice job intellectuals. Way to back policy that can get you and all of us killed. The terrorists thank you.<< First, how do we know who is a terrorist? Show trials where the defendant is not presumed innocent until proven guilty? So, basically, you can take ANYONE and declare them a terrorist and there's no oversight. Why not just shoot all non-Republicans, Beau. That would make you happy, it seems.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Give me the quote, or its woodshed time again for you fella.<< Something tells me he LIKES the woodshed in some sort of sick, perverse way.
Originally Posted By woody >>Something tells me he LIKES the woodshed in some sort of sick, perverse way.<< Your words are self-evidence of your bizarre imaginations.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Your words are self-evidence of your bizarre imaginations.>> I don't know... Beau does seem to talk about bathhouses and NAMBLA an awful lot. Maybe he's fixated on woodsheds too. He has some kind of weird obsessions going on.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I wonder if you can actually explain your postion for once or if you will go back to your usual method of avoiding any discussion other than putting people down." You're such a marginalized individual anymore. As far as I can foresee, this is the last time I'll be responding to anything you post. As far as "putting people down", look no farther than the Democratic Agenda thread by Road Trip that you single handedly had closed. You wouldn't know a true debate if it slammed you upside your head. Enjoy your solitude, you've alienated just about everyone.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy See Passholder, I try all the time to get you to explain yourself and all you know how to do is make some lame putdown as you run away. We all see you have no desire or ability to actually explain yourself. So why are you even on here participating? Even Ed will at least give some bong induced response once in a while. There is no way I would ever let you ask me to back something up only to run away and hide like you do every single time. There is no doubt that you, RT, and a few others on here are so happy that Bush had a setback, that by default you celebrate another win for the terrorists bill of rights. I sure don't see you saying anything that even comes close to saying terrorists should not get to see the evidence against them. Why??? Because you and your crew think the terrorists deserve to be treated like your average shoplifter. It's plain stupidity that is going to cost the terrorist friendly democrats and liberals like you the election again.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Give me the damned quote Beau. I want to know WHERE someone celebrated a win for the terrorists.>> What do you call this thread? Show me where you or any of your liberal buddies said Bush was right about how we need to handle the terrorists we have in custody. The military knows Bush is right. You can't because you guys are more interested in fighting Bush than the Muslims who have said they are going to kill Americans. It's this backward, twisted, ignorant thinking that makes America not trust you and the democrats. When you guys get serious about keeping the country safe get back to us.
