Originally Posted By Yookeroo Am I the last to realize this? <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://s3.amazonaws.com/inarticles/b9e9acf4d35b3193fdc7af9e4d40fe20.gif">http://s3.amazonaws.com/inarti...fe20.gif</a> Totally missed this on one of my many viewings. He also winks at Kristoff. Love that this isn't even treated like such a big deal by Disney.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance That's Oaken's family? I thought it was just a random family there using his sauna? Isn't that a wife to the right of the husband?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 This brief shot was one of the things used by the "Frozen is totally gay and ruining America" wacko woman who tried to get us to "wake up, America!" a few months back. So I saw it discussed then. The family in the sauna is pretty ambiguous all around. It's not clear whether it's Oaken's family, or a random family staying at his lodge. It's also unclear whether the figure on the right of the sauna is the central figure's wife or just an older child. It's even a little unclear if it's male or female. (He/she has the towel up around where the bust would be, but so do the lower two pretty-clearly-male figures.) So some believe this is just a case of people reading in whatever they want to - the woman wants to see it as gay and be outraged. Some people want to see it as gay and be delighted. Some people see it as a straight family (with the figure on the right being the wife). And some people think that the filmmakers simply meant it to be that last one and it never even occurred to them that it could be seen otherwise... and others think they left it purposely ambiguous. YMMV.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 " The Big Issue has now asked Jennifer Lee, the film's writer and co-director, if Oaken was intended to be gay, and while she didn't go as far as to confirmed his sexual orientation she has hinted that they knew exactly what they were doing. "We know what we made," Lee stated. "But at the same time I feel like once we hand the film over, it belongs to the world. So I don't like to say anything, and just let the fans talk. I think it's up to them." "
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "This brief shot was one of the things used by the "Frozen is totally gay and ruining America" wacko woman who tried to get us to "wake up, America!" a few months back." Glad I missed that. "Love that this isn't even treated like such a big deal by Disney." I do too. They've always been pretty progressive and forward thinking on matters such as these.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: My sisters and I recall that some group tried to say everyone should also avoid BRAVE because it implied that Merida was a lesbian. It's too bad that people want to interpret things in such a way that lead to unnecessary controversy. You have to go way out of your way to make such erroneous conclusions.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros The whole controversy seems silly to me. From what I saw in the movie, it seemed like some random family in the sauna, though I didn't see a mom present. I heard about the gay theory before seeing it a second time (by a friend who was completely convinced that's what was going on), and I still saw it as a random family in the sauna. The way he said "Hello family!" seemed like he was being friendly to a family he didn't know, rather than introducing his own family But of course, your mileage may vary
Originally Posted By schnebs I don't know which was funnier - this "controversy" or the other ruckus raised about how the relationship between Kristof and Swen was a promotion of beastiality. Personally, I think these things say more about the hang-ups of the person who uncovers them more than anything else, but as has been said already, YMMV.
Originally Posted By DlandDug OK... so maybe I'm relentlessly old-fashioned or not progressive or something. When Oaken cheerfully cried out "Hello family!" and we saw that incredibly brief shot of a mass of folks jammed together in the sauna, I assumed they were basically all siblings and nieces and nephews and maybe somebody's wife or something. I didn't give it a moment's thought that any one of them was married to Oaken. He strikes me as one of those big, burly, jolly confirmed bachelor uncle types. You know. Gay.
