Originally Posted By Donny This is from Madd <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.madd.org/blog/2013/november/2012-drunk-driving-fatalities.html">http://www.madd.org/blog/2013/...ies.html</a>
Originally Posted By ecdc Fortunately we arrest people who are caught driving while intoxicated, even if they don't kill anyone. It's a crime we take very seriously. We should also arrest anyone caught carrying a gun in public, and I'm sure given his concern over deaths due to irresponsible, selfish people, Donny would agree.
Originally Posted By Donny When you look at gun deaths Vs. Alcohol deaths I wonder why we don't see more people insisting on stronger laws regulating alcohol.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 They used to be more lax. When we tightened them, deaths dropped. It would be nice if we did the same with guns.
Originally Posted By ecdc What laws would you like? It's illegal to get in a car and drive intoxicated. It's illegal to give a drink to a minor. Would you like stiffer penalties? Fine by me. We've cut drunk driving deaths by more than 50%, Donny. Have we cut gun deaths in half in the last few decades?
Originally Posted By ecdc Donny, I love how you've latched onto this alcohol thing, apparently thinking it proves your point. It proves the exact opposite: freedom isn't absolute and requires regulation, even of responsible, well meaning adults. Guns aren't excepted from that. But by all means, keep reminding us that when we put stricter laws in place, deaths went down.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance Donny won't comment about that. He refuses to believe facts if they don't prove his points.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer That's about 1000 less than were killed by guns last year, Donny. Wouldn't you like that number to be lower? Wouldn't you like to see that number cut in half like we as a nation have done with alcohol-related deaths? Why can't we regulate gun use like we do alcohol use? Why can't we license the sellers and hold them liable for selling to people who have no business getting a gun, like we do with bars and liquor stores? Why can't we make sure that all gun sales are made through licensed dealers, like we do with alcohol sales? Why can't we put taxes on ammo and gun sales to be used for public health programs to reduce gun-related crimes, like we do with alcohol sales?
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance You should know that Donny doesn't respond to direct questions by now, Tom. He posts something, and then makes a comment every 30 posts or so that makes no sense or is in direct comment to anything anyone else has said.
Originally Posted By andyll >>When you look at gun deaths Vs. Alcohol deaths I wonder why we don't see more people insisting on stronger laws regulating alcohol.<< I knew this was where you were going. As sticker regulation of drinking and driving occurred the number of alcohol related deaths decreased. Thank you for making the point for striker gun control.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder By taking this approach, Donny is apparently indicating he is perfectly willing to sacrifice the occasional mass murder of five and six year olds in a classroom if means he can keep his peni- er guns.
Originally Posted By Donny I would agree with that as much as you would agree that you are OK with murder of five and six year olds on the highway or raped in their rooms by drunk relatives if means he can keep your beer and wine.
Originally Posted By Donny how ? People don't do terrible,terrible things when intoxicated??? Your in serious denial if you think that.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip SOME people, not the great majority. Just as SOME people do terrible, terrible things when carrying a gun. Yet purchasing alcohol is much more tightly controlled than purchasing a gun. That makes no sense.
Originally Posted By Donny "purchasing alcohol is much more tightly controlled than purchasing a gun" how do you figure this to be true ????
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's worth pointing out also that although there are certain restrictions on the purchase and use of alcohol, it is still very readily obtainable. As would guns be if we instituted some common-sense restrictions on them. The gun nuts like to say that it's all a slippery slope and we can't institute ANYTHING because before you know it the gub'mint will take your guns away. Of course, that's nonsense, and the restrictions we have on various a). physical things, such as alcohol, and b). intangible things, like freedom of speech - which is not unlimited either , i.e. libel, "fire in a crowded theatre," etc. - show that restrictions are only restrictions; they're there for a reason and they don't lead to the wholesale banning of the thing in question. So if we instituted the very reasonable and limited restrictions being proposed, the average person would still be able to go down to the gun store and buy his or her first - or 39th - gun very easily.
Originally Posted By Donny I would have no problem with anyone looking to own a gun to have to pass a gun safety course. I would also like to see something done about Alcohol as well.
