Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan The real rights of the victim is making sure no such act occurs.<< Before this legislation passed, a company could have employees sign away the right to hold that company accountable for their part in such an act. Now that it has passed, companies will not have that luxury. I think that will make them reexamine how they do business, take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. When they can legally sweep stuff like this under the rug, they will.
Originally Posted By mele Right. And now there's a way to examine if they did or did not do anything wrong. Before, there was no recourse for victims. Now victims have the right to sue the company if the company is somehow liable. Why would you want to stop that from happening, DAR?
Originally Posted By mele And you're willing to protect the companies that are. Fine. Bet you'd feel differently if your sister or mother was the one who was raped. Or maybe not. USA! USA!
Originally Posted By DAR And the recourse for the victims would be their assailant in prison for life. Honestly would a money settlement take away any pain and anguish.
Originally Posted By mele Put it this way, since the majority of people do not commit major crimes...should there be no way to prosecute the people who do commit those crimes? That's basically what you're saying here. You're willing to protect the people who are committing crimes.
Originally Posted By mele So, if a company CAN contribute in some way to a woman's rape and not ever worry about facing any sort of justice...what exactly is supposed to "inspire" them to create safe environments for their employees? Just the goodness of their sweet, corporate hearts? My god, you cannot possibly be that naive.
Originally Posted By DAR <<And you're willing to protect the companies that are.>> Not what I've been saying. I want to protect those companies that didn't know, weren't aware, had any idea such an act occurred. <<Fine. Bet you'd feel differently if your sister or mother was the one who was raped. Or maybe not. USA! USA!>> If that were to ever happen the assilant would be dead.
Originally Posted By mele And for the victim in this particular case...yes, I'm sure a huge wad of cash might help in some way. If I had a job where I was gang raped and then locked away so that I couldn't report the rape, I would need some serious therapy and I probably wouldn't be able to work, at least for awhile. Who's going to pay for my therapy? Geez, how cold hearted can you be?
Originally Posted By mele <<<<And you're willing to protect the companies that are.>> Not what I've been saying. I want to protect those companies that didn't know, weren't aware, had any idea such an act occurred.>> That IS EXACTLY what you are saying because you refuse to support a bill that allows an employee to sue. That means they can't sue the GUILTY companies either. Why can't you see that?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Because 99.9% of companies are never at fault in a case like this.<< Horse pucky. Especially when you're speaking of defense contractors.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan DAR likes to argue for argument's sake. It's like a game of Whack-A-Mole -- you address one point and he'll pop up with something else out of the blue. For dozens of posts, he clearly misunderstood what this legislation was even about. Then once he did, now the argument shifts to all this unrelated stuff. "It didn't provide enough security" and other non-sequitors.
Originally Posted By mele So, let me get this straight...suing a company who may have contributed to a rape is unethical but murdering people is a-okay. Kill them but don't touch their money. So twisted.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>suing a company who may have contributed to a rape is unethical but murdering people is a-okay.<< "Yes, but they were all bad." - Governor of California
Originally Posted By DAR I don't give a flying f about defense contractors. I'm talking about other businesses, your small mom and pop organizations that could be subject to such a lawsuit.
Originally Posted By DAR <<suing a company who may have contributed to a rape is unethical >> No that's fine. Suing those who didn't contribute is not right.
Originally Posted By DAR <<DAR likes to argue for argument's sake>> No I'm just pointing out that not everything is right about this bill. Again if a company willingly knew this happen, then sue like crazy. Prosecute them. Put their ass in prison. But this will allow for other companies who weren't complicit in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM FROM BEING PROSECUTED and all it takes is one jury to get it wrong.
Originally Posted By DAR And to those who think I don't care about the victims.....go f*** yourselves.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Again if a company willingly knew this happen, then sue like crazy.<< Hello? Without this legislation, that can't happen. That's the whole point. "Mom and Pop" operations CAN BE SUED RIGHT NOW. They don't enjoy the protection these defense contractors working in overseas hot spots currently have. Why is this so hard to understand?
