Originally Posted By DAR The last two days we've had temps in the 80's and even mid 70's earlier. Is this global warming? Or just a week of nice weather? I attribute it to the latter.
Originally Posted By Mr X Who cares what *you* attribute it to, DAR? Leading scientists agree, climate change is a real problem. Are you trying to claim you know more than they do? Or are you just mocking them for some unknown reason? OR, are you in denial? Which is it?
Originally Posted By mousermerf Umm.. I thought it was well known that those "leading scientists" fudged the numbers to support their hypothesis and suppressed any data and deleted records and raw data that could have contradicted them... So it's pretty much up in the air..
Originally Posted By Mr X Yeah, that does sound like the right wing meme surrounding what the scientific community has concluded overwhelmingly. But hey, who needs experts?
Originally Posted By mousermerf X.. How long have you lived outside the states...? The Left over here believes that too...
Originally Posted By Mr X People in Japan are pragmatic and sensible by and large. Not a single person I've ever encountered would even CONSIDER something as asinine as you just wrote. So yeah, I guess I've been out of America for quite a while. Is Thomas Jefferson still mentioned in the history books?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <The last two days we've had temps in the 80's and even mid 70's earlier. Is this global warming? Or just a week of nice weather? I attribute it to the latter.> It is the latter. I don't know how many times we need to say this, but localized, short-term data means next to nothing in the larger scheme of things. Here in NY we had a real warm (for mid-March) week a couple of weeks ago, then a colder than normal week just after, after it was officially Spring. Does either amount to a hill of beans? No. It's LONG-term, planet-wide trends you have to look at. And there the evidence is clear, despite overblown claims of fudged numbers. <a href="http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/4772849-94-of-americans-think-that-scientist-fudged-numbers" target="_blank">http://www.allvoices.com/contr...-numbers</a>
Originally Posted By mousermerf They actually lied X, it's documented. It's why a lot of the global warming/climate change hype that was going on here in the states suddenly died down - there's still a green movement because people aren't opposed to "Green" in concept but they are still a little miffed about being mislead about the actual numbers about climate change. Leading scientists conspired, in exposed documents, to mislead the general public about the factual data behind their findings. Further, to suppress and manipulate the raw data.
Originally Posted By DAR Well no but considering that it doesn't hit these temps around here until June usually, I just thought it was nice to have weather like this. But leave it to you killjoys to ruin my fun.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Dabob - a lot of people were of the long-term-trend mindset before the number fudging, then the number fudging just pissed a whole lot of people off.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 SOME (a long way from all) attempted to "gild the lily" but take them away and you still have an overwhelming number of scientists and institutions who agree that the phenomenon is happening and that we are contributing. It's akin to Mark Fuhrman attempting to "frame a guilty man." He didn't need to; they had all the evidence they needed, but he did it anyway and when just enough doubt was placed in the jury's mind, they acquitted O.J. But O.J. still did it. Don't be like that jury. Look into it a little deeper. Moreover, global warming deniers have fudged plenty. <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2007/03/climate_change_/" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/threatlev...change_/</a> Does that mean that all scientists who have looked into this and reached the "no" position are tainted? No, some may be quite sincere and not fudging in any way, just because these guys did. Meanwhile, the vast majority are still in the "yes" position. (But yeah, the fudging pissed me off too, just like Furhman did - it leads too many people to leap to a false conclusion.)
Originally Posted By andyll <<They actually lied X, it's documented.>> Not only did they not lie they were just cleared of ethics violations. They were asked to make sure all raw data was available to the public. ( which it always was)
Originally Posted By Pal of Minnie I happen to believe John Coleman's theory. <a href="http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/coleman.asp" target="_blank">http://www.snopes.com/politics...eman.asp</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Why? It's nit based on actual science (see rebutals at the bottom of that link,) <a href="http://www.uscentrist.org/about/issues/environment/john_coleman/the-amazing-story-behind-the-global-warming-scam" target="_blank">http://www.uscentrist.org/abou...ing-scam</a>
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance People tend to think Global Warming and jump to the conclusion that that means temps are going to be noticeably warmer everywhere. Warmer temps aren't necessarily how Global Warming will continue to surface. It'll be more like Global Weirding. Weird weather related things happening. Like more Hurricanes, freezing temps for longer, etc.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance I'm sure you guys all new that, but I can't stand it when I hear someone saying something like "there is no way global warming could be happening, look at this cold winter we're having!"
Originally Posted By Mr X As you said, noticeably warmer "everywhere" is not what Climate Change is all about but it IS about the planet, on average, warming up. Now, it's a fairly good sized planet, so it's a safe bet that not everyone in every climate will notice warmth as the first factor (particularly not in America, since much of it is located in temperate to arctic zones, duh!), what they will notice is more storms, catastrophic patterns developing more and more, and delicately balanced systems reaching tipping points. It ain't gonna be pretty, I can only hope that me and mine are long gone before the really bad stuff goes down...but the way it's looking I'm not so sure. Yikes!
