Originally Posted By magicalbaby Hello, Disneyland experts! Is there an Aaron Burr - Alexander Hamilton duel statue set up inside the HM, or their busts in there somewhere? Thanks so much!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros In the ballroom scene, there are two portraits that come to life and duel each other. They're both men, and dressed in a generally old-timey style (though I would pin it more as a mid/late-1800's look), but there's nothing to indicate that they're intended to represent Burr and Hamilton You can see them toward the top of the screen around the 3-minute mark in this video. There's a lot going on in that scene, so it's tough to find a video that focuses on them specifically <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXO8rt92BIA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...8rt92BIA</a>
Originally Posted By MikeHunt Those 2 may not be specifically marketed as Burr and Hamilton but we all know that is what is loosely portrayed. 59 out of 60 Americans who think historical gentleman's duel think of Burr and Hamilton.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 But if they wanted them to be Burr and Hamilton, they could have made them look like Burr and Hamilton. It's not like we don't know what they look like. I also don't think either of them ever set foot in New Orleans. Also, Burr mortally wounded Hamilton. Burr lived. The two ghosts in the HM continually turn and fire on each other, doomed to repeat the same useless duel for eternity - that's one of the things that makes the ballroom scene so great.
Originally Posted By MikeHunt Yes, nice point about the wounded and the everlasting duel. That is why I think the duel is a super general/loose portrayal as opposed to a definite representation. Very few Americans would even know what a "Burr Hamilton duel" is (remember that 50% of high school grads don't even know 6that Mexico is on the US southern border) and of those who do I bet only 1 in 10 would even know who specifically they are other than two political guys aiming pistols at each other many years ago. Since this is only duel that Americans as whole know about I think the designers must have had Burr and Hamilton on their minds for that scene.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The first sentence of your second paragraph and your third paragraph directly contradict each other. While the Hamilton/Burr duel is probably the only one where a good percentage of Americans know the names of the principals, they also do know that many more duels than that took place. And that would include the imagineers.
Originally Posted By MikeHunt What I am saying is that the haunted mansion imagineers were likely influenced by the Hamilton Burr duel but kept that scene general, nebulous and loose since A) the public as a wholke is ignorant about those two political guys and B) the duel is not related to the HM story.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Well, that's vague enough to be meaningless. And quite a distance from "Those 2 may not be specifically marketed as Burr and Hamilton but we all know that is what is loosely portrayed."
Originally Posted By danyoung >Those 2 may not be specifically marketed as Burr and Hamilton but we all know that is what is loosely portrayed.< I would disagree with this. While the Burr duel might have influenced this scene, I have never thought that the Burr duel was being loosely portrayed at all.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I also don't think either of them ever set foot in New Orleans.<< Burr did, after he fled Washington he made it to Louisiana territory and New Orleans, at least for a time. It was then that he hatched the so-called Burr Conspiracy. None of which has anything to do with anything else and I totally agree Burr and Hamilton are not portrayed in any kind of way in the Haunted Mansion
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Burr did, after he fled Washington he made it to Louisiana territory and New Orleans, at least for a time. It was then that he hatched the so-called Burr Conspiracy.> Interesting, thanks. On his way to Mexico? But to answer the original question: no, there are no busts or depictions of Burr and Hamilton in the HM, though there is a pair of duelists.
Originally Posted By smd4 >>Those 2 may not be specifically marketed as Burr and Hamilton but we all know that is what is loosely portrayed.<< That's ridiculous. It's a general portrayal of a typical duel. There's absolutely no hint, and therefore no evidence, that it's meant to even loosely portray the Hamilton-Burr duel, as much as you would like to read that into the scene. Certainly your prerogative. As kid, I knew about duels WAY before I knew anything about Burr and Hamilton. Thanks, Looney Tunes.
Originally Posted By berol There doesn't have to be a hint beyond it being a duel for Hamilton-Burr to have inspired it. That doesn't mean it inspired it, either.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>There doesn't have to be a hint beyond it being a duel for Hamilton-Burr to have inspired it. That doesn't mean it inspired it, either.<< Wut
Originally Posted By berol I may have garbled the first sentence from editing too much, my curse in life. I meant there's no way to tell by looking if Hamilton-Burr inspired it or not.
Originally Posted By ecdc Thanks, I got ya. I had a different response then worried I'd misunderstood you (I had) so that's why I went for the simple route Most Americans probably think of Hamilton-Burr when they think of dueling, although it was a prevalent activity in the 18th century and into the 19th. But without direct evidence, I'm skeptical they were the HM's inspiration.
Originally Posted By berol I doubt it as well unless there was a movie by the time that delved into any terror the 2 may have felt. Duels were in lots of movies back then, real and fictional.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 " I meant there's no way to tell by looking if Hamilton-Burr inspired it or not." Except that the faces look nothing like them and the clothes are the wrong period too.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Most Americans probably think of Hamilton-Burr when they think of dueling," Do they? I bet most Americans don't.
