Originally Posted By fkurucz ...by Mexican truckers: <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51779" target="_blank">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n ews/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51779</a>
Originally Posted By jonvn As someone with a truck driver's license, I have to say this is yet one more step on the road to our national destruction. I've never heard of a country that was so willing to aid in its own demise.
Originally Posted By Capstan Presumably, any foriegn driver would be required to adhere to U.S. standards of safety, hours-of-service, equipment, etc. I'm all for freedom. This country is too isolated as it is, too dependant on the military in dealing with foriegn nations. Maybe we should mix it up a little, get a taste of what others are like by working with them.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd The disadvantage to american truckers is the fact that mexico is not being required to maintain american standards for trucks. They are driving vehicles which are dangerous, and falling apart because they do not meet our standards. You will also find the prejudice against american truckers in mexico is favored by both sides of the mexican government.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I've never heard of a country that was so willing to aid in its own demise.<< Some say that civilazations usually die by suicide.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Maybe we should mix it up a little, get a taste of what others are like by working with them.<< If you don't mind working for Mexican wages, I'm sure it could be arranged.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^BTW, The truckers won't be paid American wages. It will drive countless American truckers out of the trade. Then we'll get lectured that this is "a job that Americans won't do".
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Presumably, any foriegn driver would be required to adhere to U.S. standards of safety, hours-of-service, equipment, etc. I'm all for freedom. This country is too isolated as it is, too dependant on the military in dealing with foriegn nations. Maybe we should mix it up a little, get a taste of what others are like by working with them.< Every CEO and CFO in America would be proud of this statement....
Originally Posted By Capstan I don't think a cross border arrangement will reduce American wages. But it may elevate Mexican wages.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 OK- so truckers that would normally haul this stuff past there are now looking for work, gee I am thrilled your perception is it will raise wages for Mexican truckers. Jut how will it do that ? The truckers are still going to be paid by the Mexican trucking firms they drive for...all it does is save WalMart a few more bucks on their items, not you, not me. I am also amazed by you view we are too isolated- what about the 10M white collar jobs we have 'off shored' to India / Brazil/ China and next Kuala Lampur over the past 7 years ? And before you tell me I don't know what I am talking about, most here know already, that is what part of my duties are for the international firm I work for...so I know first hand. That should make one who feels we are too isolated feel all cozy. We are exporting all of our jobs....and the rate is increasing by the quarter.
Originally Posted By Capstan Also, there's already a shortage of American drivers, so I don't think anyone's going to be displaced. And if the new rules come into effect, meaning the black boxes, which will ensure American drivers adhere to the rules, there's going to be even a greater need for those who are qualified.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Also, there's already a shortage of American drivers, so I don't think anyone's going to be displaced.<< They peddle that same pile of BS regarding software engineers. There's a great shortage, blah, blah, blah. We need more H1-B visas, more offshoring, blah blah!! If this is all true, how come software engineer salaries are not keeping pace with inflation? We should be getting huge raises. At one place I worked at I was told: We don't give cost of living pay raises. Another place had a 2% cap. At my current job (at a world famous company that makes printers, PCs, servers, etc.) there have been years with no raises across the board. But there's a shortage of engineers you know.
Originally Posted By Capstan So, Wal-mart can pass the savings on to you. Vbdad, if this is the way you feel, what on earth are you doing, working for an 'international firm?' Doesn't that make you something of a traitor? We have Canadians driving commercially all over the country. Should we ban them? Like it or not, we're citizens of the world, the Americas, not just th U.S. Mexico is our neighbor. The better she does, the better we'll do. Or do you think Kansas should restrict Missouri trucks from using Kansas highways?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <And if the new rules come into effect, meaning the black boxes, which will ensure American drivers adhere to the rules, there's going to be even a greater need for those who are qualified.< who is going to enforce the safety restrictions on the trucks from Mexico when they are not adhered to ? a part falling off a truck driven by an illegal here in Chicago ( which by the way hit a van with a minster and his 6 kids - causing it to erupt in flames killing all 6 children )- cost a governor his job here -- they said since he didn;t speak English other drivers couldn't communicate with him..to warn him, well let's look at this new situation.
Originally Posted By Lake Nona >>BTW, The truckers won't be paid American wages. It will drive countless American truckers out of the trade. Then we'll get lectured that this is "a job that Americans won't do".<< Quick, where is Mr. Hoffa and the teamsters?
Originally Posted By YourPalEd SSSssssst..., Come in big daddy, in the red double decker. How's the london fog on the red golden bridge? SSSssst, "No jumpers today, mr. toad, Looks like dim sum for lunch." SSsssst. read that loud and clear, big daddy, ten 4, over and out.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <So, Wal-mart can pass the savings on to you. Vbdad, if this is the way you feel, what on earth are you doing, working for an 'international firm?' Doesn't that make you something of a traitor< golden handcuffs after 29 years and kids in college wil do that to you...I do what I can to try and speak against as well as build business cases against some of what is going on...but if I was not there someone else would be in my role....but don;t think it doesn't cause me some serious conflict - it does. the Missouri vs Kansas argument is stupid..so I will pass on that... and btw-- Wal Mart passes nothing on to me or you .... and being a citizen of the world means nothing if all countries do not play by the same rules my friend. Maybe one day when your job moves to Brazil, you will have a different view. Until then wave that UN flag - and the hits just keep on coming: Intel to lay off 10% of it's workforce <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0</a>,2933,211699,00.html yet the CEO praises off shoring - gee. <a href="http://searchcio.techtarget.com/originalContent/0" target="_blank">http://searchcio.techtarget.co m/originalContent/0</a>,289142,sid19_gci933144,00.html I'll bet none of that 10% comes from overseas.... all the nice words in the article come down to one thing- they can hire a college equivalent education for $400 / month max...no benefits....so they do. So explain to the workers here Capstan how they are to compete with that ?
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>So, Wal-mart can pass the savings on to you.>> Why should they if they are already undercutting every once else? You only need discount until you are cheaper than everyone else (which they already are). So they will pocket the savings.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>and the hits just keep on coming: Intel to lay off 10% of it's workforce I'll bet none of that 10% comes from overseas....<< Is the sky blue? "Analysts have said the Santa Clara, California-based firm is almost certainly preparing to slash its 100,000-strong work force, and the size and timing of the cuts have been a topic of heated speculation in recent weeks." So they are going to lay off 10,000 US workers. Sweet. There is an Intel presence on our campus here in Ft. Collins (a spin off that resulted from a former joint venture between their company and ours). For the past year they have been promising to move out (we need the space) to an empty building that formerly housed Celestica (they left for offshore a couple of years ago) but it hasn't happened. Now its all clear.
