Originally Posted By BrnardM Ok, I feel a little bad asking this but here it goes. Does anyone know what happens if you are caught using an AP that isn't yours? This weekend I'll be in the area and my Mom would like to go, so we wonder if we couldn't use my sister's AP. It's very risky because there's a big age difference. But I'm just curious about what happens to those who are caught.
Originally Posted By friendofdd As I understand it, the pass is confiscated and the passholder barred from further passes.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub That really made me laugh until I said to myself Yeah rather spend a lifetime in jail than to be banned from DL!
Originally Posted By mickey42397 True, but if the photo looks close enough, they would have to prove that it wasn't her. I mean, if she had no ID on her and knew all the personal info like address, email, birthdate, etc. then they couldn't take away the pass. If she didn't know the info, confessed, or the picture was obvious, then both your mom and sister would be barred from having a pass in the future.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal While it is possible that the picture will look similar to the person using it, they can and still will take away the passport if it's being used by someone who doesn't match the picture exactly. Even if they have the information regarding birthdate, address, etc. it can still be revoked. My response to that situation was usually to say, "well, it seems your appearance has changed since we took the picture originally so we're going to retake it today and issue you the new passport with your current appearance on it. In fact, to compensate you for your time in retaking the picture I'll give you a pass to go on the attraction of your choice without waiting in the queue." Generally they confess that it isn't really them and the passport is revoked. What followed was usually a phone call from the REAL AP holder who tried to convince me that they didn't know their pass had been stolen or that it was taken without their permission. If it was stolen and a police report was filed then the passport isn't revoked. If there's no police report and the passport wasn't reported stolen to Disneyland, they're usually out of luck. Unfortunately this is an all too common occurance. Generally at least a passport a day is revoked for this reason. Several more for shoplifting. Buy a one-day passport for crying out loud. I know that there are Cast Members who would miss this on entry and let her use it, but is it worth getting the passport revoked? Also, Guests can theoretically be arrested for using someone else's passport and (not that I think this would be the case with the original poster by any means, just general info) if the Guest is being a real you-know-what about insisting the passport is theirs they can and will be first asked to leave and then second, if they don't leave, arrested for trespassing. Seriously. Buy a one-day passport. It's easier on everyone.
Originally Posted By retlawfan I don't know about Anaheim, but in Santa Clara California (Home to Paramount's Great America), they have a municpial statute (18-8 SCMC), that states it is a misdemeanor to enter a place of amusement without paying. It covers everything from using someone elses pass, to "rolling" a handstamp to try to gain entry through the re-entry gate, to jumping the fence to get in. When I worked there 15 years ago, we would arrest at least one person every day for 18-8. Some days we would get a lot. Now, looking back, I wonder why anyone would risk it, to get into THAT park? Overheard in jail: Thug #1: "I robbed a family at gunpoint. What are you in for"? Thug #2: "I rolled a handstamp."
Originally Posted By OceanSpace I had no idea that pass theft was such a big deal and that the victims were helpless if they didn't know it had been stolen yet. I once dropped my pass in the locker room one morning and didn't realize it until about fifteen minutes later when I went to use it. Sure it was there, I searched the entire locker room and it was gone, so I went to City Hall of course and had to pay $20 for a new one. Luckily though, thanks to some kind soul, it was turned in to Lost & Found and I had it back in my possession that night. Disneyland had already addressed it and they planned to mail it the following day; they also refunded my money for the new pass I had purchased. I'm a so grateful no one tried to use it within the time I didn't know it was missing. I don't know what I'd do if I didn't have my pass, it's my reward every few weeks after working hard.
Originally Posted By deadmentellnotales While I understand that many people probably loan their passes to friends for this purpose I think that there could be a fair share of innocents that get effected by this policy as well. I'm sure someone could loose their pass and simply not notice it for a while. DL should simply make the person who colaims their pass was stolen file a report after being notified and support disney in prosecution. I'd wager most people who were trying to cheat the system wouldn't have the guts to press charges against a friend.
Originally Posted By mickey42397 Yeah. Again, I am sure it all depends on who you get. Which CM, how long they have been working, what they had for breakfast that day, and whether or not their underwear are comfortable. If you feel lucky, then the decision is yours. If you don't want to risk it knowing the possibilities, then go and spend the money on a one day ticket or go buy one on Craigslist or something.
Originally Posted By deadmentellnotales Don't get me wrong I'm not condoning it, heck we bought four pass last year 2 for us 1 for my father in law and my buddies. This year we'll buy three 2 for us and 1 for my mom. I just worry that if I happened to loose my pass and didn't know it, I'd still be able to get one if I got there and paid my $20, rather than find out I was out of luck for the 3 to 4 passes I paid for ( I wouldn't let anyone else use theirs without me ) or worse forever revoked.
Originally Posted By cwade From what I have seen Disney is reasonable about it all, usually if it appears to be someone that you would know, such as someone that looks similar, but is not you, i.e. your mother or brother or sister, they will revoke the pass, but if not and you claim it was stolen then you would be ok, just be sure to let them know as soon as you realise it is missing.
Originally Posted By BrnardM I appreciate all of the input on a taboo topic. While my sister has gotten away with this in the past I'd rather not press my luck. I have a kind of stigma, both a blessing and a curse, that keeps me on the straight and narrow by not letting me get away with much.
Originally Posted By The_wicked_AP >>I have a kind of stigma, << It's not a "stigma", it's a conscience and if more people had one, or listened to it, this world wouldn't be going to hell in a hand basket. Makes me nuts how people feel they're entitled to cheat, how cheaters, liars and thieves are put on pedestals by their peers. One word. Karma. And I hope they know what it is when it takes a big bite from their backsides.
Originally Posted By smeeeko ^^exactly.. I really never understood why people purchase these APs and don't understand what 'non transferable' means. 'but it's my mom.. why can't she use my AP discount??' um, because your AP is non transferable.. I used to get those all the time.. really was one of the worst parts of working at the park.. "but she used it all day!" well.. honestly anyone who doesn't want to lose their job will ask you for your ID if it isn't you. That's why there's a photo on it. =) My photo on my AP is like 3yrs old and I've lost some weight in the face.. as annoying as it can get sometimes, I'm glad when the person at the turnstiles does a double take.. I know they are doing their job right! =) I say good on ya Disney! I wish all the CMs were doing the same thing.
Originally Posted By SuzieQ I almost always get a face verification by the gate CM. They look at me, look at my AP picture, and look at me again. They're doing their job!
Originally Posted By mickey42397 Since I go all the time I can tell you that they look me in the face about 6 out of every 10 times I go through the turnstiles. While I don't feel people should cheat, I am sympathetic to the fact that some people come down here for a visit and they could not possibly afford to pay the one day price at the gate. It is VERY high. I don't see anything so horribly wrong with a mom trying to slip in with her daughter's AP if that is the only way she will get a chance to experience DL with her son. I'm just saying, in some cases it doesn't seem like that huge of a crime.
Originally Posted By Zwitek The price of a Porsche is VERY high, but it doesn't mean I should go out and steal one. What many people fail to see is that all of those little crimes add up to a huge cost overall, not just to the company itself, but to the rest of the customers who ultimately pay for the cost of crime. So while you don't think it's that huge of a crime, doesn't make it so. The sense of entitlement and the ability of some to justify nearly anything never ceases to amaze me.
Originally Posted By mickey42397 I don't feel "entitled" to anything except for entrance to the park on the days not blocked out on my own AP that I PAID FOR. I didn't say I would do it, I just said that it hardly seems so bad for the mom to be able to go without paying the expensive one day price. There is a huge difference between stealing a porsche and letting your mom use your pass to get in to a park that you regularly contribute to. I also didn't say that it is okay for everyone to do, just that I would be able to turn the other cheek in certain situations, that's all. Don't worry, I don't work at the turnstiles, I'm sure you are glad about that.
