Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If you've ever had 1 error occur with them you would know. It took me 2.5 years and attorneys to clear up their mistake when my Dad died.>> Bureaucracy is bureaucracy. If there is a procedure coding error on the forms my mother's doctor sends to Blue Cross/Blue Shield for her Medicare Supplement policy, it takes MONTHS and MONTHS to get it corrected. And you would NOT BELIEVE the problems we have with inaccurate bills from the company that handles the licensing and maintenance for our Informix database. I think you may have some familiarity with that company… ;-)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <They will hire you insurance guys and you will have a job that is more secure, with better benefits and an honest-to-God pension plan. It would be the best danged thing that ever happened to you< as long as you're not older than 40 - and don't make too much money this may be true - otherwise you are screwed
Originally Posted By vbdad55 let me see- support for that area of the business, I believe you want Hortolandia Brazil and Kuala Lumpur -- you're preaching to the choir on that one RT. Good luck. If I have a problem with a Blue Cross bill I have a company intermediary and can get it resolved -- when I have a problem with SSA & IRS together - there is no intermediary and there is no one to escalate to. They just repeat the same drone replies.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>If I have a problem with a Blue Cross bill I have a company intermediary and can get it resolved -- when I have a problem with SSA & IRS together - there is no intermediary and there is no one to escalate to. They just repeat the same drone replies.<< Your opinion of my previous post notwithstanding, this post doesn't make sense to me. The SSA and the IRS are both agencies that operate on behalf of We the People. If you can't get satisfaction at one level, you can't ask for a supervisor or even bring it to the attention of your Congressional Representative or Senator. I work for a state agency and we tend to jump when a legislator gets involved. And, of course, sometimes, there's actually nothing the agency can do for you under the law. That's not the fault of the agency or their employees. It's not a matter of the public employees not caring or not wanting to help you. It's that they aren't empowered to do anything because of the way the laws are written...again, you, as a member of We the People, have the option of going to your legislator for satisfaction. It's part of being in a democracy.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 If your previous post was the same level of this one, I wouldn't have had any problems with it either ( I would hope if you went back to read it again you would see how someone would view it as I did ) - A company intermediary is slightly different than going to a local legislator don't you think ? I work with 2 senators here all the time as I am a member of a local school board and we get involved in legislation as well as referendums.....but I could not see going to them when I couldn't get a medical bill correct.Also at that point you also start getting politics involved - which is never a good thing. I deal with it as a board member when state level decisons are made, and 'deals' have to be cut because I live in a GOP dominated county and the state is Dem - house/senate and governor... with the SSA is was up 3 - 4 levels of management ( starting with supervisors who declared themselves managers until when pressed - as you say, they had no decision making authority) - and I found a huge group of indifference, more than their hands being tied. Maybe it was just certain chains of command, I cannot say, I can only share my experience. The IRS was actually much more inclined to try and help and they made calls also - at one point a regional manager at the IRS telling me how frustrated he was with the lack of action from the SSA.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If you can't get satisfaction at one level, you can't ask for a supervisor or even bring it to the attention of your Congressional Representative or Senator. >> This really works!! My mother in law had trouble getting her Social Security check after her husband died. We called Senator Paul Wellstone's office to ask for help and my mother-in-law had her check within a week. Paul Wellstone was probably the finest Senator the United States has had in the past 50 years. His early death in a plane crash was a true tragedy. Yes, he was left. Actually, a bit further left than I thought ideal. But the man was so danged honest and worked so hard for his constituents that I could accept that. I saw him as the liberal conscience of a conservative dominated Congress. He was a great man.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>A company intermediary is slightly different than going to a local legislator don't you think ?<< Absolutely! A "company intermediary" is responsible to the company to help it make lots of money. A local legislator is responsible to We the People. That's a major difference!
Originally Posted By ClintFlint2 My dumb sister is at it again. She just bought a Kirby!!! A KIRBY of all things in the world to spend $1,300 on. and two things, one, she has no home to use it in and two, she has no health insurance. Hey people, what's more important clean rugs or health coverage??? I told her you keep making decisions like that and you will be as dead as Bruno.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <A local legislator is responsible to We the People. < and most are doing a great job of that ?
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger I don't know about nowadays, but we were given a Kirby for our wedding, almost 30 years ago and it's still going strong. As heavy as a tank, yeah, but almost as indestructible.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip For what a Kirby costs you could hire an illegal to clean your house for the next twenty years! ;-)
Originally Posted By DAR Did anyone see Moore on the Situation Room on CNN? Quite interesting. I have to wonder if it's a case of he can dish it out but he can't take it.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Did anyone see Moore on the Situation Room on CNN? Quite interesting. I have to wonder if it's a case of he can dish it out but he can't take it.<< More like fed up with all the lies and crap that people spew about him. It's good to see someone stand up for themselves to the corporate media.
Originally Posted By DAR Two things here. Michael Moore received the chance from CNN to respond right away to the allegations. Second his movies are released by members of the corporate media. They're not released by some underground establishment. So for him to rail against the corporate media is ridiculous. CNN presented a different point of view and Moore simply flew off the handle, instead of using his brain(for the record he's a very intelligent man)to counter act their argument.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I thought he held his own pretty well. I'd be ticked off too if I saw a report that questioned the veracity of my film, and based that on citing stats from different sources than Moore used, which is what happened. For instance, Moore used the figure of $7,000 that we spend per capita on health, and Gupta said, no it was closer to $6,000. They were both correct based on the sources they used for their estimates (though Moore's was more recent). But Gupta's report started off by saying that some of Moore's stats were flat-out wrong, and that was the overall impression left. It wasn't a good piece of reporting by Gupta, and Moore - though he could have been more focused and less agitated - had every right to blast it.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Did anyone see Moore on the Situation Room on CNN? Quite interesting. I have to wonder if it's a case of he can dish it out but he can't take it.<< When I first saw Moore, I thought it was pretty cringe-worthy, especially the way he jumped all over Wolf Blitzer and the media for not questioning the war. But then I saw him and a replay of it on Countdown with Keith Olbermann and I actually liked it a bit more. I'm actually sick to death of seeing pundit after pundit debate the war with a big toothy grin on 24 hour news channels. Our soldiers are getting their limbs blown off, brain damage, shot up, or worse, while we all blather on and on over here about how bad Bush is or how he's just principled, etc. What absolute horse...uh...crap. More of us should be outraged like Moore. More of us should be yelling. But we don't care because it's not us or our kid getting blown apart half-way around the world. Maybe if more of us were as pissed off as Michael Moore, we'd actually be getting somewhere with that incompetent boob, George W. Bush. Maybe if 100,000 of us were outside the White House screaming like Michael Moore was, he couldn't live in his little bubble world anymore where Rove and Cheney tell him that 50 years from now, he'll be viewed as one of the greatest Presidents of all time. I realized, how can I fault Michael Moore when I feel the same way. Given the chance to talk to Bush or Cheney about it, I guarantee I wouldn't last long before I was yelling. People are dying, politics as usual has to be over with. Calm and collected needs to disappear. (No, I'm not advocating anarchy or violence, please don't pick up that strawman.)
