Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/11/autism.vaccines/index.html?iref=allsearch" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH...llsearch</a> Can, I just say how angry I am at this guy? Right in the middle of the whole autism/vaccine scare I had a baby boy getting vaccines every few months. I spent so many worried days mulling over whether or not I was doing the right thing by continuing my son's vaccines on the regular schedule. My doctor recommended to continue, so I did. But felt guilty about it, worrying I was just doing what the doctor said despite the research pointing to possible other answers. My son always seemed to have a bad reaction to them too. Sleepless nights, fever, grumpiness, sensitivity, etc. I was really scare about the whole thing. AND NOW, after reading that this report that had me worried about my sons future health was fraudulent, and his interest in doing so was because he stood to make millions off of related patents?! I hope this guy gets put away for years. Luckily, I continued the vaccines, and didn't put him in real danger. Imagine all the parents who didn't. Seriously, this vaccine scare had the potential to bring massive harm to the health and well being of the entire world.
Originally Posted By ecdc The whole vaccine debate is infuriating for a few reasons. 1) It's totally bunk. 2) Even if it wasn't bunk and was 100% accurate, it's STILL safer for our culture to deal with a handful of autistic children - as hard as that is for the parents - than the resurgence of horrible diseases that maim and kill, which is even harder for parents. 3) It's a perfect example of when "fairness" becomes downright dangerous. This is not an issue that deserves two sides to the story; these anti-vaccine nuts are dead wrong and super dangerous.
Originally Posted By markymouse What bugs me the most about this is the whole "well, there must be something to it" mentality. There's so much talk about President Obama being born in another country, there must be something to it. There's so much talk about the world ending in 2012, there must be something to it. There is no way lingering doubts over vaccines and autism will ever go away. It's been referenced too many times. It doesn't matter that it ended with "Psych. Made it all up." Too many people heard it too many times. I think the whole throwing rotten fruit at the miscreant in the stocks thing certainly has its merits.
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Originally Posted By skinnerbox There is a shade of grey here, that's not being addressed: the vaccine schedule. Vaccines do not have to be given in such large injections, all at once. They can be spread out over the first two years, with a much smaller injection each month. That way, if a child has the gene mutations responsible for screwed up methylation (I do, and it's the culprit responsible for the body not being able to clear out toxins and heavy metals like mercury), then their tiny little bodies will have enough time to process the mercury preservative and remove it. Autistic children are poor methylators, and hence, lack the glutathione necessary to deal with toxins in their food, drugs, and environment. Of course, spreading out the vaccines costs money. That's why it's not done. But it's certainly easier for children to handle vaccines in smaller doses, especially if they have screwed up genetics and/or faulty immune systems.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox It's not the vaccine or the mercury preservative that "causes" autism. The predisposition for developing an Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD) is the loaded gun that nature hands you. It's up to your environment and exposure to certain conditions (toxins, pollution, drugs, illness, stress) to pull the trigger. If the trigger gets pulled too frequency and with great intensity, and you've been deal with a bunch of key gene mutations, you'll end up with autism. If the trigger isn't pulled as frequently or as intensely, and/or your gene mutation count isn't as high, you'll end up with something less severe, like ADHD. This is why it's a "spectrum disorder." There are many different factors which contribute, many of which can be measured. Problem is, mainstream medicine (health insurance industry, HMOs, etc) doesn't want to spend the $$$ to do the necessary testing, to see where kids fall on the spectrum. I've done the testing as an adult (diagnosed with ADDH in grade school), and it's damned expensive. But... I've altered my lifestyle and supplemented what my body could not make or transform on its own, and I'm much healthier as a result. If a child has most of the gene mutations associated with poor methylation and has demonstrated poor methylation through testing, then receives too much mercury from vaccine preservative that he/she cannot naturally eliminate, it will contribute to the toxin overload that's the hallmark of autism. Even my self-proclaimed "autism ignorant" Kaiser docs accept this fact about methylation. If a parent has any autism or ADHD running through either family, and has the financial resources to do genetic testing, they would be wise to do so before vaccinating their child. Kids identified this way have been given the drawn out vaccination schedule, which is much safer and easier for potential autistics.
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance Hmmmm, ADHD and mild autism runs in both mine and my husband's family. If a child is not exhibiting any symptoms of autism by the age of 3, do you think it's same to say they won't have any severe case of it? When do ADHD or any variation of ADHD start showing signs? My husband has atypical ADHD, he doesn't have an attention problem but very impulsive. My brother has classic ADHD. My dad probably does too.
Originally Posted By queenbee Constance most children with severe autism are diagnosed before age three because they don't begin talking and this prompts most parents to see a doctor. Less severe autism or aspergers,as well as ADHD and ADD are typically diagnosed during the early school years. Teachers are trained to recognize symptoms and refer to the school pyschologist and/or a medical doctor for actual assessment.
