Originally Posted By wahooskipper Quite the heavy conversation. I had a little embarassment about my faith this weekend. I took my 3 year old to Mass while my wife and son stayed home (he was sick). Of course, keeping a 3 year old calm for an hour is no picnic. Anyway, during the Lord's Prayer (which is sung most of the time in our parish) my daughter belted out the song about as loudly as she could. Granted, she got most of the words right and wasn't too pitchy but...boy oh boy. Talk about all eyes being on ya. If you choose to be atheist, agnostic, etc...more power to you. It isn't my job to judge folks. I got enough to worry about trying to keep my daughter from yelling "amen" during communion.
Originally Posted By utahjosh "It would have been more impressive if you coordinated your efforts with a Muslim church. " Here ya go: <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/news-releases-stories/the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-partners-with-islamic-relief-usa-to-send-food-and-medical-supplies-to-haiti" target="_blank">http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnew...to-haiti</a>
Originally Posted By snappyfun "Agreed, I prefer it when it happens without faith and just as a good community intervention." Why whould you prefer it happen without faith?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Pathetic. PA-THE-TIC!! Once again the narrow-mindedness evident on LP astounds me. I can pretty well guarantee you that more people in this country would vote for a Mormon presidential candidate than would vote for a gay presidential candidate. Does that mean Mormon good, gay bad? OF COURSE NOT! But it does mean that it might help EVERYONE to be a little more freaking open-minded. Once again the Mormon-bashing in World Events reminds me of what I find distasteful about this place.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip By the way... I really like almost all LP'ers including most who engage in what I feel is "Mormon bashing". I just truly don't understand the meanness that consumes people on certain topics. Can't we all just get along?
Originally Posted By gadzuux Working backwards ... >> the Mormon-bashing in World Events reminds me of what I find distasteful about this place. << I haven't seen much of that in this thread. >> I can pretty well guarantee you that more people in this country would vote for a Mormon presidential candidate than would vote for a gay presidential candidate. << They had their chance to vote for a mormon candidate in 2008 - and he tanked - PRECISELY because he was a mormon. The problem wasn't with the 'moderates' or independents, and certainly not with gays - the problem was with the right-wing evangelical self-described "christians" that dominate large swaths of the republican party - who kept candidate Huckabee in the race long after his relevance was exhausted. The make-up of the GOP hasn't changed in the last two years, so why would you think Romney - or any other mormon - would fare better the next time? >> Does that mean Mormon good, gay bad? OF COURSE NOT! << Again - you're presenting a false choice here. Gays have every good reason to be suspicious of the mormon church - and even resentful, but the problem any mormon candidate for national office faces isn't from gays, it's from born againers.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Sorry... I didn't mean to infer that gay people impacted Romney's campaign much one way or the other. I saw it as a comparison of two groups that are discriminated against, and that of the two Mormons probably have at least as much popular support as gay people. That does not make one group right and the other group wrong. I just don't think it does anyone any good to have one minority group bashing another minority group. We need people to be open minded, and the only way that can be accomplished is to be open minded across the board.
Originally Posted By pecos bill I would be the first to lament the religious wedge that has separated me from some of my dearest friends and relatives. Beyond language, politics or race, religion seems to be one of the greatest barriers to just getting along. As odd as it may seem, some of the people in my life, for whom I have the most admiration, have been Mormons.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Aren't you that jerk that hates toons at Disneyland, the Superbowl, patriotism, and puppies?<<< I love puppies - both the 34 DD/E kind and the furry canine ones.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Why whould you prefer it happen without faith? <<< Because it is something we should all do because it is right, not a key to heaven or what have you.
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight <<Because it is something we should all do because it is right, not a key to heaven or what have you.>> DWB, you hit it dead-on!
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I love puppies - both the 34 DD/E kind and the furry canine ones.<< LMAO!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Because it is something we should all do because it is right, not a key to heaven or what have you.<< Under most religions, it is NOT a key to heaven.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***According to the World Christian Encyclopedia (year 2000 version), global Christianity had 33,820 denominations with 3,445,000 congregations/churches composed of 1,888 million affiliated Christians.*** Over thirty THOUSAND denominations of Christianity alone, and you have the audacity to make ANY claims as to what "most" religions believe? Bah.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I've said it before, and it's more true than ever - christianity means whatever anyone says it does. You want poor people to starve? No problem. You want to pray for the death of the president? Fine and dandy. You want to protest AIDS at funerals? Go right ahead. You can do anything you like - it says so in the bible.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Bah<< Bah yourself. Good works don't work like that. We're all sinners no matter how many good works we do.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Good works don't work like that.*** That's your opinion. I would actually agree with you, but only because there is no God. I still think doing good things is the right thing to do, however. Others who believe in supernatural things might not agree with you, however. The entire Karma thing springs to mind. ***We're all sinners no matter how many good works we do.*** I don't buy that crap. There are PLENTY of people out there who do great works their entire lives and never do anything bad. That "we're all sinners" thing is nothing more than a tool designed to keep people ashamed and suppressed and feeling bad about themselves all the time.
Originally Posted By barboy Hey X, you are seriously confusing me Dude.......have you been tanking on the Suntori Yamazaki??? This was yours back on #57: """Find me an atheist who says "there is not(a God)" rather than simply "there is no evidence of" """ And then here you are with: """but only because there is no God""" OK Mr.X, may I present Mr.X to you.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***>>Because it is something we should all do because it is right, not a key to heaven or what have you.<< Under most religions, it is NOT a key to heaven.*** "GOD will admit those who believe and lead a righteous life into gardens with flowing streams. They will be adorned therein with bracelets of gold, and pearls, and their garments therein will be silk."
