Originally Posted By DAR <a href="http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1912297,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.time.com/time/polit...,00.html</a> I just read this in the magazine. It's a very fascinating article. If you hated Cheney, you'll really hate him now. If you hated Bush you might hate him just a little less. Have a good weekend everyone.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I just read this in the magazine. It's a very fascinating article. If you hated Cheney, you'll really hate him now. If you hated Bush you might hate him just a little less.<< A great article and a great line, DAR. Thanks for posting it.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I read this, this morning, it is actually kind of interesting strained the relationship between the VP and President was.... IMO, it's a good thing the President never went hunting with Mr. Cheney....
Originally Posted By Mr X OMG...I didn't realize that Tim Russert was involved in the trial. 2007, trial. 2008, dead. Creepy! (I think I'll stop writing bad things about the most honorable former VP Cheney now..forever. goodbye)
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder There's this passage from the article that struck me- >Bush would decide alone. In private, he was bothered by Libby's lack of repentance. But he seemed more riveted by the central issue of the trial: truthfulness. Did Libby lie to prosecutors? The President had been told by private lawyers in the case that Libby never should have testified before the grand jury and instead should have invoked his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself. Prosecutors can accept that. But lie to them, and it gets personal. "It's the difference between making mistakes, which everybody does, and making up a story," a lawyer told Bush. "That is a sin that prosecutors are not going to forgive."< and then there's this one- >"I think it is very, very important that we have a clear understanding that what happened here was an honorable approach to defending the nation," Cheney said on May 10. "There was nothing devious or deceitful or dishonest or illegal about what was done."< As a lawyer, I can completely agree with the sentiment expressed in the first passage. It goes to the core of why Libby was pursued, something that certain neocons still refuse to acknowledge. It turns out apparently even Bush understood this. The second passage clearly implies that Cheney feels he was above the law, that someone in his position could do anything if they felt the end justified the means. It throws the Constitution under the bus, and it is heartening to see that Bush stood his ground here. A few weeks ago I started a thread about how there was a small, informal panel bringing in people for questioning reagrding certain of Cheney's activities. It's still happening. More and more the veil is getting lifted surrounding it, and whether it comes to any kind of fruition is still up in the there.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***More and more the veil is getting lifted surrounding it, and whether it comes to any kind of fruition is still up in the there*** Up in the there, where? If things really do go South, I wonder if there's any chance that the President would pardon Cheney.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The second passage clearly implies that Cheney feels he was above the law, that someone in his position could do anything if they felt the end justified the means. >>> I'm sure you're aware of the "unitary executive" theory and what it means for Presidential power. <<< It throws the Constitution under the bus, and it is heartening to see that Bush stood his ground here. >>> Ask someone that supports the unitary executive theory, and they'll tell you that their view IS what the Constitution says.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Ask someone that supports the unitary executive theory, and they'll tell you that their view IS what the Constitution says./// reminds me of that bench lifer C. E. Hughes with his "...the Constitution is what we say it is...."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder All in all, yet another reason to be glad that group is out.
