Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/15/bush.dems/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...dex.html</a> At the Knesset, the incredibly inept and embarrassing president of this country compared talking to Iran to appeasing Hitler. In the linked article, White House aides admit to CNN that Bush was directing his remarks ro Obama. In my opinion, Bush is a raging idiot.
Originally Posted By ecdc Joe Biden's comments on the senate floor are spot on. He was pissed, and rightly so. It never ceases to amaze me how low Bush can sink.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 His statements are not only idiotic and blatantly partisan politics, but hypocritical as well, considering that (from the link): "The Bush administration held three rounds of discussions with Iran about security in Iraq last year, including two at the ambassadorial level, and Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Wednesday that Washington needed to "figure out a way to develop some leverage ... and then sit down and talk with" Iran." So his own administration DOES talk to Iran (and should), then he says that talking to Iran constitutes appeasement? Huh? How dumb does he think the electorate is? And McCain, disappointingly, played into it rather than disowning it or saying something simple like "Mr. Bush does not speak for me on this matter." In fact, it would have been a perfect opportunity for him to say something like that.
Originally Posted By planodisney As someone who has been dissappointed with Bush, I must say that he was spot on with every sentence. I know Democrats, particularly the far left, dont want to be percieved the way Bush described, but the truth is that they are weak and naive on many security issues. The problem is that this administration has been stupid on many security issues. Making it a complete wash!!!!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I know Democrats, particularly the far left, dont want to be percieved the way Bush described, but the truth is that they are weak and naive on many security issues." Proof? "As someone who has been dissappointed with Bush, I must say that he was spot on with every sentence." You do realize his words have conradicted the actions of his sec defs and sec states?
Originally Posted By DAR When I was in fifth grade my sister who was in second transfered to a new school. At the school I knew a few people from playing little league. But of course being the new kid I was subject to picked on by a bully. He would taunt me on the way home. I'd tell him stop, give him some of my lunch, tell my parents, teachers. He'd get in trouble, then of course there'd be more harassment. Again I'd tell him to stop, more harassment more getting picked on. The last day of school I had enough and instead of telling him to stop picking on me. I punched him in the face and when he was a little stunned at what I had done. I punched him again so he knew I had enough. He never bothered me again. Sometimes talking doesn't work.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I'm marching right over to Iran and punching Armadinikjdsajfajg in the face!!! And taking his lunch money. But in your example, DAR, you waited until the last day of school. So, you didn't have to return to find out he'd gathered a few more bullies to escalate the situation. I know talking doesn't always work. I think Ahmadina,gjahgfmjgcaca is a maniac. But if we don't at least give some diplomacy a try, we look like the bully. If we had a true, solid coalition we wouldn't be left holding the bag in Iraq. Surely we can outsmart a little twerp in a wrinkly Member's Only jacket, can't we?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Talking does not equal giving in. We talked to the Soviets for 40 years. Because it was in OUR interests to do so. And it's a good thing we did. <As someone who has been dissappointed with Bush, I must say that he was spot on with every sentence.> How can he have been spot on? He equated talking to Iran with weakness. Meanwhile, his own administration is talking to them. Is he saying his own administration is weak? Or it's only weak when other people do it? He's not spot on - Biden and others have pointed out his hypocrisy and put him on the spot.
Originally Posted By DAR <<We talked to the Soviets for 40 years. Because it was in OUR interests to do so. And it's a good thing we did.>> But Reagan didn't really talk to the Soviets until they were weakening towards the end.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Funny, hardly anyone wanted to talk in 2001. Now that we have our hand in the beehive its ALL W's fault. He has done poorly, but he is far from alone when it comes to laying blame.
Originally Posted By ecdc DAR, your example has nothing to do with the situation here. There's perhaps a debate to be had over the use of force vs. the use of diplomacy. No one's suggesting otherwise. The issue here is that Bush went to a foreign country and trashed the person who may well be his successor, comparing him to appeasing Hitler. So rather than say that there's a legitimate debate to be had over these issues, Bush chose to do what he does best and act like a childish buffoon. He questions Democrats resolve and says that they want to appease terrorists, which, as Joe Biden pointed out, is B.S. It's divisive, poisonous politics that allows some people to nod along and demonize people who disagree with them. It's partly why our country is in such a crappy state right now.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "The issue here is that Bush went to a foreign country and trashed the person who may well be his successor, comparing him to appeasing Hitler." I'm sure Israel appreciates Bush bringing the internal politics of his country over to their building. In my opinion, Bush is a classless fool.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Not a chance in hell. He does not stand for a damn thing I do anymore.
Originally Posted By X-san ***George Bush is indeed your president.*** I think this calls for a moment of respectful silence, in honor of George Washington deciding NOT to be a king.
Originally Posted By DAR Fine if it's so much better to "talk" to Amadouchebagajan then he has to follow our terms. For example, he cannot talk about wiping out Israel, it cannot be allowed. He mentions it again, the talks stop.
Originally Posted By X-san Wouldn't that actually be Isreal's problem and not our own? Why should we care about relations between two other countries?
Originally Posted By DAR Because Israel is our ally and they have been loyal to us for many years. The worst thing we could do is not come their aid.
