Originally Posted By barboy It doesn't matter too much whether it's the Kirks, Baxter ot Rhode---- Deserts are boring, cars are old hat/tired/obvious/extremely unimaginative at face value and the idea of racing each other is beyond asinine. Thumbs down, way down on this one.
Originally Posted By barboy "you actually believe that JTTCOTE has more realism than the Cars attraction?" yes, I do--- you don't?
Originally Posted By barboy "I will never understand how someone could be insulted by a company's decision to build a particular theme park ride." Don't take me too literally here. I don't feel personally insulted but I am just trying to point out more dumbing down attempts by Disney.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Okay, fair enough. I agree with you that the parks are being dumbed down. Mostly for the sake of Pixar.
Originally Posted By bean "That said, there were hundreds of Imagineers that worked on TDS and many of them have been hired back, as well as other talented ones that didn't work on it that have chosen to come back:" this is what i meant by several WDI that worked on TDS coming back and doing work for DCA and other expansion plans. i can't go into specific names --- sorry
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan I am very excited about the Cars Test Track attraction. It won't be the thematic masterpiece that is Journey to the Center of the Earth, but it will be a very fun attraction nonetheless. Looking forward to it! I think it will beat Test Track in terms of theming and detail though, which isn't saying that much now that I think about it.
Originally Posted By bean "barboy Mon 11/26/2007 9:06a "you actually believe that JTTCOTE has more realism than the Cars attraction?" yes, I do--- you don't?" NO espcially since none of it is based on anything real. The whole attraction and its surroudning is based on a vision by a writer. you call Lava creatures, mysterious plants and a laboratory with machines that could go to the center of the earth real? Yes, its one of the best if not the best setting ever built for a theme park but there is little realism to it.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan I think what barboy meant was that it takes a realistic design and theming approach based on a fantasty concept versus a cartoon based design on a realistc concept.
Originally Posted By barboy Maybe TDR--- I am not too sure if what you wrote is what I was trying to say.... but maybe you nailed it. Clearly both stories are fiction--- but one is more fictitious than the other if you will by the very fact that it is cartoon based--- let me explain it by invoking the movie Roger Rabbit. The whole movie is fiction, of course-- but Who Framed RR is a live action accentuated with animation. We see "real" charcaters mix with the artificial/cartoon ones. The intersection of these two very different worlds(the "real world" of Eddy Valiant vs cartoon world) is the whole point of the movie. I can try to explain it another way too. With Journey To Center we don't have to imagine a whole lot; it's easy to suspend logic and disbelief and feel like we are digging deep(even though we know, obviously, that we are not). WITH CARTOON BASED RIDES WE KNOW AND ARE EXPECTED TO KNOW the whole time that we are saturated in fantasy and fiction. So why is that a drawback? Because we keep an arms length from believing when we want to believe. In other words the cartoon environment is just too obvious for being fiction thus it keeps us from "getting into character".
Originally Posted By bartholomewneff These are the plans for the next four and a half years, barboy. There are other proposals for what could happen afterwards over the next half decade. If this phase is a success, expect more of these concepts to be proposed for phase two. Some of which will not be cartoon based. Don't condemn all that WDI is doing here, because much of it will make the park a very attractive place. More success will give them the ability to propose more attractions like what you're talking about. Or gripping about would be a better description.
Originally Posted By bean Thats just it, most of the new attraction in Cars Land is not based on fantasy. It is a realistic setting with elements of fantasy. The same could be said for JTTCOTE a volcanoe is realistic but elements of fantasy were added. No one has ever been able to dig deep intot he center of the earth or encounter live lava monsters or even come close to staying alive inside a caldera. Yet people generally visist deserts and there are many towns that line these old desert areas that have been devestated by the changes in road construction. Even the buildings being designed for the land are based on real landmarks along route 66. The only fantasy element in them are the names andminor architectural themes added to its facades. As for the cartoon elements of the attraction, they will mostly be contained within large showrooms midway thru the attraction. The whole racing element is also not the full length of the attraction but only one small element. the only real comparison between both attractions is its technology and Cars will actually have a more sophisticated advanced one. Again, do nto misunderstand me. JTTCOTE is a masterpiece in the Disney attraction line-up but to cirticize and judge Cars speed racers on a couple of pieces of artwork is wrong. Notice how everyone automatically criticized the Mater attraction as it being a simpel clone of the circle eight ride system used in Paris, Mermaid lagoon and Flicks fun faire. This a couple simple drawings were released. Now that the LA times decided to release another of the concept arts shown to them does everyone realize that it is basically a lushly themed outdoor darkride with many visual elements
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan <<the only real comparison between both attractions is its technology and Cars will actually have a more sophisticated advanced one.>> Will the Cars attraction have banked upward slopes, a large drop, and the ability to simulate rough terrain like Journey to the Center of the Earth? If not, I hardly see how it is more advanced. I certainly have no problem saying it uses an advanced version of Test Track's technology, but its utilization of the ride system just looks too different from Journey to the Center of the Earth to compare either of them. The Cars will be much more comparable to Test Track and hopefully superior too.
Originally Posted By TP2000 I loved Journey at DisneySea. It has a great pre-show with the elevator and cave queue and such, and the ride itself is great. But, the ride is also rather short. If anything, the ride track for Radiator Springs Racers looks to be longer than Journey. A slow winding outdoor track section, then inside a massive show building for several different show scenes, then a high speed race outdoors through some major banked turns and straightaways. My hunch is that there is about an extra minute or two or ride time to Radiator Springs Racers compared to Journey. What is the cycle time of Journey? Seemed about four minutes as my memory serves.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan <<I loved Journey at DisneySea. It has a great pre-show with the elevator and cave queue and such, and the ride itself is great. But, the ride is also rather short.>> And like any great Disney attraction, the experience starts before you even step into the queue . <<What is the cycle time of Journey? Seemed about four minutes as my memory serves.>> It's about 3 minutes, comparable to Indiana Jones Adventure. Test Track is about 5 minutes long, I believe.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Gotta love YouTube. Journey To The Center Of The Earth clocks in at about 3 minutes and 15 seconds from the Loading are to the Unload area. 1:30 - Slow paced tour past crystals and those cute n' cuddly cave animals 0:45 - Cave collapses - SOMETHING GOES TERRIBLY WRONG - tour veers off course and you see the underground ocean with the lighting storm 0:30 - Monster noises, lava erupts, encounter scary lava monster who lunges at you 0:30 - High speed launch away from lava monster up curved incline, shoot out the top and down the side of the mountain, high speed turn around mountain caldera, arrive at Unload area, gather your belongings and watch your step. Those time estimates are all give or take a few seconds, but that's the basic rundown from POV videos on YouTube. Three minutes and 15 seconds total. I have nothing to back this up aside from looking at all the pics and models released last month after the press announcement, but.... I am confident the Radiator Springs Racers ride is going to be at least a minute or two longer than the 3:15 that Journey is.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan That was a very precise anaylsis . And that reminds me, will the Radiator Springs Racers have many, few, or no AAs? I'm assuming that there will at least be AAs of the Cars characters.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<bean: Thats just it, most of the new attraction in Cars Land is not based on fantasy. It is a realistic setting with elements of fantasy.>> The majority of Cars Land is based on fantasy. And not JUST fantasy, but CARTOON fantasy. Talking cars, all of the environment, attractions and facilities are anthropomorphosized from a Pixar Car’s perspective. The fantasy of JTTCOTE is just beyond the realm of reality. There is uncertainty as to what inhabits those regions that no one has explored. So, the leap from reality to fantasy in those cases is relatively short, whereas the leap from reality to cartoon requires a total abandonment of reality. The environments, while similar in their basic premise (unique natural settings), are also quite different in the level of ‘realism’ they present. As for the ride systems, they’re not being argued. Both systems have the potential to provide thrills and entertainment.
Originally Posted By barboy "Yet people generally visist deserts and there are many towns that line these old desert areas that have been devestated by the changes in road construction. Even the buildings being designed for the land are based on real landmarks along route 66." And even if I grant you the "realism" involved with using the Cars theme(which I don't)deserts are still boring; cars are even more boring; and the two together make for a colossally horrific theme---I would rather an attraction based on hats like the old Krofft's "Lidsville" show and even that theme would be asinine. "As for the cartoon elements of the attraction, they will mostly be contained within large showrooms" Good! --- very happy to hear that there will be not just a showroom but a large one. "The whole racing element is also not the full length of the attraction but only one small element." Even better!--- because racing sucks for an attraction. Racing is even worse that using deserts and cars for an attraction. "Cars will actually have a more sophisticated advanced (technology)" Again, very good to hear that because anything that can one up Journey To Center has automatically got my vote.
Originally Posted By Nobody From post 31: "Notice how everyone automatically criticized the Mater attraction as it being a simpel clone of the circle eight ride system used in Paris, Mermaid lagoon and Flicks fun faire. This a couple simple drawings were released. Now that the LA times decided to release another of the concept arts shown to them does everyone realize that it is basically a lushly themed outdoor darkride with many visual elements" Bean, that's a good point and thanks for mentioning it. (Here is the link for those who've not seen it.) <a href="http://tinyurl.com/293rk8" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/293rk8</a> Now, back to the actual subject of this thread, I don't think speed is going to be a real issue with this ride. It probably won't have 65 MPH bragging rights, but if done right it won't need them. With enough tight turns and bunny hills, the ride aspect of this attraction should be plenty fun (and excess speed would be over-kill).
