Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/01/26/cia_man_retracts_claim_on_waterboarding" target="_blank">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/a...boarding</a> Turns out he wasn't even there and he was wrong about what he repeated. So let's put aside whether it's immoral or not, how about if it even works? One of the biggest sources for the torture cheerleaders just turned out to be a dud. It doesn't work. Jack Bauer is a fictional character.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Torture is like Disney marketeers, but with more pain. Eventually the people asking the questions will get the info their leaders want to justify what they want to do.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Turns out he wasn't even there and he was wrong about what he repeated. >> So, in other words, he lied. Time and time again we get lies and distortion as the primary methods to back up the decisions made by the Bush administration.
Originally Posted By Mr X Unfortunately, people don't seem to really care about that much (if at all). Which means we'll see more of the same in future, and it will (I guarantee it!) get worse and worse UNTIL people actually decide to start caring about such things. Hopefully it won't be too late, but I have a bad feeling about America (and the world) right now. We've been there before. History repeats itself. Etc...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 (From the link): "After Kiriakou repeated his waterboarding-efficiency claims to the Washington Post, the New York Times, National Public Radio, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and other media organizations last year, a CNN anchor called him "the man of the hour." "A lie can run around the world six times while the truth is still trying to put on its pants." - Mark Twain (and never truer than in the internet/24-hour news era). Here's another article that details the uselessness of torturing this guy, and other lies told about it, apart from the one in the OP. <a href="http://www.fff.org/comment/com0903m.asp" target="_blank">http://www.fff.org/comment/com0903m.asp</a> "Moreover, the sources cited by the Post maintained that his torture in secret CIA custody, which began shortly after his capture in March 2002 and transfer to a secret prison in Thailand, and was the first implementation of a torture program for “high-value detainees” that was endorsed at the highest levels of the Bush administration, was so worthless that “not a single significant plot was foiled” as a result of it. " (snip) "And yet, as the Post described it, Zubaydah “was not even an official member of al-Qaeda,” and was, instead, “a “kind of travel agent” for would-be jihadists. A former Justice Department official, who knows his case, explained, “He was the above-ground support. He was the guy keeping the safe house, and that's not someone who gets to know the details of the plans. To make him the mastermind of anything is ridiculous.” (snip) "Summing up the results of Zubaydah’s torture, a former intelligence official stated, bluntly, “We spent millions of dollars chasing false alarms.” (i.e. the guy said anything to get the torture to stop, and we chased down all these false leads). "In key passages, Suskind explained, how, from early on, President Bush was briefed that Zubaydah was not as significant as had been presumed, a judgment that was "echoed at the top of CIA and was, of course, briefed to the President and Vice President,” but that..." (you've got to love this part): "...this did nothing to prevent Bush, just a few weeks after his capture, from portraying Zubaydah as “one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States.” According to Suskind, Bush told CIA Director George Tenet, “I said he was important. You're not going to let me lose face on this, are you?” Too late now, George. Though, as we've mentioned, probably millions more people will believe the initial lies than will ever even read their exposure.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Wow, this is a huge, huge story. It undercuts the Bush Administration in a huge way. The last lying domino falling.
