Originally Posted By DlandDug <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/08/AR2006090800222.html?nav=rss_artsandliving/entertainmentnews" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/08/AR2006090800222.html?nav=rss_artsandliving/entertainmentnews</a> EXCERPTS: >>ABC defended a miniseries on the events leading up to the Sept. 11 attacks after Clinton administration officials said it distorts history so drastically that it should be corrected or shelved.<< >>Former President Clinton, speaking with news reporters after a Democratic fundraiser in Arkansas on Thursday, said he hadn't seen the ABC film. "But I think they ought to tell the truth, particularly if they are going to claim it is based on the 9/11 commission report," he said.<< >>Albright, Berger, Clinton Foundation head Bruce Lindsey and Clinton adviser Douglas Band wrote in the past week to Robert Iger, CEO of ABC's parent, The Walt Disney Co., to express concern over "The Path to 9/11." They were joined Thursday by Democratic Sens. Harry Reid of Nevada, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Charles Schumer of New York and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, who sent a joint letter to Iger asking that the broadcast be cancelled.<< >>"By ABC's own standard, ABC has gotten it terribly wrong," Lindsey and Band said in their letter. "It is unconscionable to mislead the American public about one of the most horrendous tragedies our country has ever known."<< So where were all these people when Michael Moore was making up HIS "documentary?" At least ABC has stated that this is a "docu-drama" (whatever that is). More here: <a href="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/14722188/site/newsweek/" target="_blank">http://msnbc.msn.com/id/147221 88/site/newsweek/</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug (And I am sure I am not the first person to find it... amusing... that Bill Clinton would lecture anyone on misleading the American people.)
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Sorry, but it is hard to equate lying about sex to lying about the most catastrophic attack ever on the U.S. mainland.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Sorry, but it is hard to equate lying about sex to lying about the most catastrophic attack ever on the U.S. mainland.<< And what a depressingly familiar mantra THAT is... (What about the lies of Michael Moore, hmmm?)
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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>o where were all these people when Michael Moore was making up HIS "documentary?"<< I don't know where 'these people' were, but I was here saying Moore was full of it. And I'm saying that this -- whatever it is -- is wrong, too. Reports say there is a scene that shows 'bin laden in our sites' and Sandy Berger calling off an easy hit. It's not based on any fact. It's made up. It never happened. It's irresponsible of ABC/Disney to run something like this. But if people are going to be so thick-headed a to take as gospel truth anything they see in a 'docu-drama', then they're lazy thinkers anyway.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "(What about the lies of Michael Moore, hmmm?)" What about him? Who on this site endorses the guy? He's a loon. In the times his name gets brought up here is when the hard right desperately wants to associate him with anyone not hard right.
Originally Posted By bboisvert If you're going to make a film about 9/11 and base it on the 9/11 Commission Report and release it anniversary of 9/11, then you'd better get it right. Note that Rush Limbaugh got an advance copy of the film but Clinton et. al. did not. Hopefully, ABC will do the right thing and stick to the facts.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<(What about the lies of Michael Moore, hmmm?)>> Michael Moore is an idiot, and I've said that repeatedly. We all know how liberal Hollywood tends to be, and Moore was booed off the stage at the Oscars. No one takes the guy seriously except Republicans.
Originally Posted By bboisvert <<What about the lies of Michael Moore, hmmm?>> Michael Moore released a film that you had to drive to a movie theater and pay $7.50 to go and watch. ABC is releasing a film that will be broadcast right into your home for free. Many viewers may not understand where the lies occur in this film.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <That's right. Lying is lying. No matter what. < I have to go with this too....an I know to some Bill is one of the greatest presidents ever...not to me. I am not going to separate the lying Nixon did face to face on TV to the American public as what Bill CLinton did. I lost what respect I had for the man right after that. Just like Nixon's lie to the public on TV was the tip of his lying, I do not beliee Clinton's falsehood was any more isolted than Nixon's. It cast a shadow over all his decisions and he brought it about himself. "I am not a Crook" and " I am not getting frisky in the White House" - regardless of the level of what they were talking about are no different. In fact for Bill it should have been easier....there were no criminal chargs going to come out of that...and the American public ( for the most part ) would have looked past it just as they did for JFK numerous times.... If he comes clean, except ofr a few far right wing prognasticators , it's a dead issue except for jokes within 6 months -- now it's part of his legacy -- a major screw up by his advisors.
Originally Posted By bboisvert This really isn't about Clinton lying. This is about ABC's film that is at best deceiving on some key facts in such a way that it may appear that the Clinton administration's actions let to the 9/11 attacks. In the 1993 WTC bombing, Clinton was president to 6 weeks, but he didn't go blaming Bush Sr. did he? No, and the Blind Sheik and the other terrorrists involved in that plot are in jail now. Not some secret prison, not "Club Gitmo", they're in prison. I've heard that the film also takes Clinton to task for not capturing those responsible for the USS Cole bombing in 2000, at the end of his term. I don't hear anyone asking Bush, the current Cheif Executive, why those terrorists still haven't been caught.
Originally Posted By DlandDug When I asked, "So where were all these people when Michael Moore was making up HIS 'documentary,'" I wasn't refering to YOU knuckleheads. I was refering to the people in the article. The Democrats. I wasn't commenting on the veracity of the ABC "docu-drama" (I guess "docu-drama" means "we made up some of it"), but rather on the swiftness of response from the Democrats. There's a letter from a bunch of them that was sent directly to Bob Iger at ABC. Does this (credibly) fall under "freedom of speech?" After all, that's what Moore and his defenders (none of whom are around here, apparently) claimed.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Many viewers may not understand where the lies occur in this film.<< You think so? I imagine a good many of them will be waiting for Bruce Willis to bust in and start breaking heads.
Originally Posted By ecdc "And what a depressingly familiar mantra THAT is..." As is the repeated finger pointing at the other side, demanding that they stand up and denounce only what one wants them to. It's got to be a two-way street. Where's the call to have Bush, Cheney, et al denounce the lies of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?
Originally Posted By ecdc In short, you can't condemn people for something you are never willing to do yourself.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I am no Clinton fan but I agree with him here. Any story n 9/11 should be based completely in fact...especially if you are going to advertise it as such (which ABC was doing in the beginning). Pearl Harbor was different (as was Saving Private Ryan for that matter). Those wars weren't fresh wounds and certainly weren't dealing head on with current political controversy. I say pull it or edit it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Where's the call to have Bush, Cheney, et al denounce the lies of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?" No, no, no ecdc, you've got it all wrong. Limbaugh and Hannity are "entertainers", like Laurel and Hardy. They're "allowed" to take license with the facts in order to garner an audience. Except Laurel and Hardy were Blockheads on purpose, while Limbaugh and Hannity do it unintentionally.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Where's the call to have Bush, Cheney, et al denounce the lies of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?<< Whaaaaaa? Actually, it's the Democrats who are busily denouncing. Here's the letter sent by Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, Assistant Democratic Leader Dick Durbin, and Senators Debbie Stabenow, Charles Schumer, and Byron Dorgan. <a href="http://democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/record.cfm?id=262624" target="_blank">http://democrats.senate.gov/ne wsroom/record.cfm?id=262624</a>& EXCERPTS: >>Dear Mr. Iger, We write with serious concerns about the planned upcoming broadcast of The Path to 9/11 mini-series on September 10 and 11. Countless reports from experts on 9/11 who have viewed the program indicate numerous and serious inaccuracies that will undoubtedly serve to misinform the American people about the tragic events surrounding the terrible attacks of that day. Furthermore, the manner in which this program has been developed, funded, and advertised suggests a partisan bent unbecoming of a major company like Disney and a major and well respected news organization like ABC.<< >>The Communications Act of 1934 provides your network with a free broadcast license predicated on the fundamental understanding of your principle obligation to act as a trustee of the public airwaves in serving the public interest. Nowhere is this public interest obligation more apparent than in the duty of broadcasters to serve the civic needs of a democracy by promoting an open and accurate discussion of political ideas and events.<< >>That Disney would seek to broadcast an admittedly and proven false recounting of the events of 9/11 raises serious questions about the motivations of its creators and those who approved the deeply flawed program. Finally, that Disney plans to air commercial-free a program that reportedly cost it $40 million to produce serves to add fuel to these concerns. These concerns are made all the more pressing by the political leaning of and the public statements made by the writer/producer of this miniseries, Mr. Cyrus Nowrasteh, in promoting this miniseries across conservative blogs and talk shows.<< >>We urge you, after full consideration of the facts, to uphold your responsibilities as a respected member of American society and as a beneficiary of the free use of the public airwaves to cancel this factually inaccurate and deeply misguided program.<< Wow. As Shakespeare said: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <That's right. Lying is lying. No matter what.> Well, for the record, I was being facetious.
