Originally Posted By jonvn People are get older, you know? For many years, people ate up all sorts of assassination conspiracy theories about Presdient Kennedy. It was the mafia, the industrial military complex, castro, the jews, or Mr. X. Any number of these, any combination. Well, the people engaging in those pretty much have started dying out (part of the conspiarcay I suppose), and really, the story is pretty much coming down to Oswald acting alone. Now that this one has died down, those who need to feel fear have apparently latched onto a new conspiracy. That Bush is responsible for 9/11. He blew up the world trace centers buildings, and that it was all done to precipitate a rise in oil prices and holy war against moslems. Last night I was watching the Bill Maher show, and people had smuggled into his audience some signs, and interrupted his show by shouting about this stuff. I don't feel anger, just depressed. These folks are so incredibly dumb. First, to think that a president would be that much of a traitor, and second, that Bush is smart enough to even pull this off in the first place. This is going to now last for the next few decades. Morons saying things like "fire does not melt steel" and that it's all our own doing. As much as I don't like George Bush, I can't imagine him doing such a thing, nor even being able to pull it off successfully if he tried. The people who engage in this nonsense are so far removed from any attachment to the reality it defies words, yet they are proliferating and people buy into their baloney, all fueled by a hatred of George Bush. Is there anyone in this country anymore who has any sense left? No one seems to be able to think anymore.
Originally Posted By Mr X Hey! I wasn't even BORN when Kennedy was assasinated! Don't be dragging ME into your moonbat conspiracy theories!
Originally Posted By jonvn " I wasn't even BORN when Kennedy was assasinated! " So you claim....so you claim... I happen to have a file here that shows a very difficult to perceive image of you holding a shotgun at Dealey Plaza on the date of the assassination. Most people would call it a photo of a shrub taken in my backyard, but I know what it is, and you're not going to ocnvince me otherwise.
Originally Posted By Mr X I was a patsy, I tell ya. A patsy! Just like all those muslim guys who are actually still alive and fighting to clear their names, because the planes that supposedly crashed into the towers were secretly switched out at a military base and replaced by military airliners disguised as civilian aircraft being remotely piloted by the secret service in conjunction with NASA into the twin towers as a distraction for the CIA to covertly enter the towers and plant a series of top secret "mini-nukes" which they later detonated in order to bring down the towers and justify attacking the muslim world.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Are these conspiracy nuts any more off-base than the conservatives who say that bush bears no responsibility whatsover? That it was all clinton's fault? They're just different sides of the same coin.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yes, the conspiracy nuts are much more off-base. They're total moonbats. Honestly, as much as I despise Bush, I can understand the argument that he didn't bear much responsibility...if only for the fact that he'd just stepped into office.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Are these conspiracy nuts any more off-base than the conservatives who say that bush bears no responsibility whatsover?" Yes. Really. Just yes.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Why? One group seeks to assign blame to bush for things he had no control over - the other seeks to absolve bush over matters he did have control over. 9/11 was not a foregone conclusion, and might have been prevented. The white house had several clear warnings about al qaeda - from bush's own administration and from the outgoing administration, and chose to ignore each and every one.
Originally Posted By jonvn They are not just blaming bush, they are actually saying he was involved in doing the deed. I don't think conservatives are saying that clinton was actually involved in any terrorist attacks, are they?
Originally Posted By ecdc Sadly, JFK assassination theories are still alive and well. The last poll taken at the 40 year anniversary four years ago had about 75% of Americans believe Kennedy was killed as the result of a conspiracy. I think the issue is more of a cultural one. For whatever reason, we humans feel perfectly fine having strong opinions on topics we know next to nothing about. Just look at how many people know almost nothing about science but have no problem saying evolution is nonsense. The same is true with most conspiracy theories. I think if most people who believe JFK was killed as part of a conspiracy actually heard what conspiracy theorists say happened, they'd be embarrassed they ever believed in a conspiracy.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Well, 9/11 was a conspiracy, but it had nothing to do with Bush. The owners of the Empire State Building, the Chrysler Building and Rockefeller Center were tired of the WTC being able to charge more per square foot than anyone else. So they took care of it. (The Pentagon and Flight 93 were just red herrings…) ;-)
Originally Posted By jonvn I'm not sure, but I think the WTC buildings were not fully occupied. A lot of people actually disliked them, and it was tought to sell space in them.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm sure the previous bombing attempt must have affected occupation as well, no?
Originally Posted By jonvn I don't think so. I thik they were just kind of crappy buildings. That if they weren't so tall would be totally non-descript.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I think Mr X has a point on the previous bombing having an effect -- here is Chicago the Sears Tower was also a supposed target - and it went from basically 100% occupancy before 9/11 to less than 50% today ( was just a news special here on that ) - and they are looking for creative ways to fill the space.
Originally Posted By friendofdd The best way to find out what is really happening is to tune into the late night radio show "Coast to Coast". There are far more conspiricies in not only this world, but also off planet. Of course that which interests LPers most is an actual fact. Mr X is just a pseudonym for one who is really an International Banker. The Heads of Europe do not make a move without his say so. His more common alias is Vittorio Acropali. And Jonvn (AKA Bubba) is his highly paid factotum who travels the world making people "conveniently" disappear.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 The existence of conspiracy theories is easily explained by simply noting how many Americans know more about the comings and goings of Britany Spears than than they know about the sequence of events in Iraq, the organizational structure of the US government, or how to find countries like China on a world map. STupid people inevitably come up with stupid ideas, fueled by slick promoters whom they idealize, such as Hollywood dingbats and religious cult leaders. There is simply no limit to the absurdities that will be believed by a growing segment of the American public these days, sad to say.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda My neighbor believes the Southern California wildfires were all set by Al Quida!
Originally Posted By JohnS1 When they burn out - there will no doubt be a giant burned message in the brush reading "Allah is Great!"
