Originally Posted By lesmisfan well i hope lincoln comes back soon. he has been gone way to long and is an important attraction in disney history.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA How about adding a Disney cartoon character. <a href="http://www.2adults1child.com/Mr_Robinson/Mr_Robinson.htm" target="_blank">http://www.2adults1child.com/M r_Robinson/Mr_Robinson.htm</a> <--- runs for cover...
Originally Posted By patrickegan I like the Lincoln show although it was kind of weird in it’s latest incarnation. Went to Ford’s theater last time I was in D.C. and the house across the street, really put the ending on a big story.
Originally Posted By jonvn I think Ford's theater and the house across the way are the single most amazing and fantastic and poignant things in all of DC, and that's saying a lot. Years later after going, it's what I remember most clearly. It was an incredible and unamatched experience. To feel the history, the tragedy, the disaster, everything that happened, it just was something I never experienced before or since. If you have not been there, maybe you don't know what I mean. But it was probably one of the very few things in my life that just flat out left me dumbfounded. Just beyond anything else I've ever seen. I can't even describe it well. If you are interested in this nation or its history at all, then this is probably the single place in this country that is just the most amazing experience you'll have. Somehow getting a haircut pales in comparison.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I agree jon, it's an amazing experience. It's a relatively small theatre, so you do get this feeling of being close to what happened, even all these years later, and the impact it had.
Originally Posted By patrickegan At the house across the street was there a re-enactor? When I went there was a fellow dressed in period as the Chief of Police. More interesting then the character portrayed was chatting about the political climate at the time of the assignation. Also downstairs at Fords, the artifacts pistol, boot, hat and what stands out most for me was the Brooks Brothers coat. It really brought the mayhem of the moment home. What a story, what a time in the history of this great country, they can’t let Lincoln go.
Originally Posted By Rsey103 I've only been outside Ford's theatre, patrickegan and jonvn. I didn't know until recently that you could go inside the house across the street. I'd sure like to visit those places. The Mary Todd Lincoln House in Lexington, KY has some treasures in it. Disneyland, bring back Lincoln now, with or without the headphones and the hair cut. (Preferably without.) If the bincentennial comes and President Lincoln is still wrapped up in storage it'll say to me they're no longer trying where Walt Disney's legacy is concerned. THE LINCOLN BICENTENNIAL February 12, 1809 - February 12, 2009
Originally Posted By jonvn "it'll say to me they're no longer trying where Walt Disney's legacy is concerned." Eventually everyone is going to come to that same conclusion. It is the path they are on.
Originally Posted By markymouse "Yeah. They could even produce a special penny press that would press a Lincoln image on pennies." This is just about the funniest thing I've read in a long time. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face. Otherwise, this is a kind of depressing topic - the gap between what could be done and what will probably happen. Mr. Lincoln will probably spend his bicentenial birthday in a box while a Steve Martin and Donald Duck movie will outlast its time because they don't have anything better. I'm always coming up with things to do with Mr. Lincoln, aware that putting him back in the Opera House might not be the best thing (people are busy coming or going, or have shopping on their mind). I've advocated, once or twice too often, moving him to Frontierland - chronologically its closest to his time, and it puts him roughly in the same relative location as WDW's Hall of Presidents. But I have a new notion, one that seems more in keeping with the wave of self-referential Disney-about-Disney that is making its rounds: Mr. Lincoln moves to the new DCA, to the Walt Disney exhibit, and gets a preshow about audio animatronics, the World's Fair, and Disney's reverence for Lincoln. I think Disney is becoming more open to giving people a peak behind the curtain, and I can totally see Lassiter thinking this was a cool exhibit. Does anyone remember that skin-less Mr. Lincoln in the traveling Disneyland museum exhibit? I'm not saying its the best thing - focusing on Disney and animatronics rather than on history and patriotism. But it's a version I can imagine the higher ups getting behind. Now, if there was just some charismatic speaker to give a speech at the re-dedication. Maybe someone with ties to Illinois. I wonder if "The Land of Lincoln" has a tall, skinny lawyer who is a good speaker who will either be in the public eye in February 2009 or will have a lot more free time in February 2009.
Originally Posted By knoxvelour I really like Markymouse's idea. Even better would be if they got an actual descendent of Lincoln to do the dedication. Did he and Mary Todd have any children? There has to be a great great great grandson out there somewhere
Originally Posted By Rsey103 4 sons: Robert (1843 - 1926) Eddie (1846 - 1850) Willie (1850 - 1862) Tad (1853 - 1871) Robert was the only child to reach adulthood. As far as I know, there are no living descendants of Abraham and Mary Todd Lincoln today. (I could be wrong, but I think the last one died in the 1980's.) THE LINCOLN BICENTENNIAL February 12, 1809 - February 12, 2009
Originally Posted By jonvn There is talk that Lincoln got syphillis shortly after Robert was born, and it caused his other children to die young, and his wife to go insane.
Originally Posted By Cindermomster There will always be "talk" to discredit the greatest of men. But no proof. Remember Lincoln for the Patriot and lover of freedom that he was. And as an example for us all who in spite of his trials trusted in God first.
Originally Posted By jonvn "There will always be "talk" to discredit the greatest of men. But no proof." Without a blood test, you can't really prove it. But there is a suspicion. "in spite of his trials trusted in God first." There is debate about that, too.
Originally Posted By Rsey103 >>>Now, if there was just some charismatic speaker to give a speech at the re-dedication. Maybe someone with ties to Illinois. I wonder if "The Land of Lincoln" has a tall, skinny lawyer who is a good speaker who will either be in the public eye in February 2009 or will have a lot more free time in February 2009.<<< Yes, and another 'candidate' for that role might be Tom Hanks---a Disney star who claims to be related to Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks. Disneyland, put the Steve Martin film on dvd. Bring back the Lincoln attraction with a special exhibition and some nice collectibles. Everybody wins. THE LINCOLN BICENTENNIAL February 12, 1809 - February 12, 2009
Originally Posted By MouseBear Salutations All, Lincoln was never an atheist but he was definately skeptical of organized religion. His writings, before he was President, relect this and today he would have probably have been called an agnostic. However, during his time as President he became increasingly interested in the Bible and began to study it daily (according to family members and those who worked with him). He never joined a church but did begin attending a bible study, weekly, at a local church, somtime after the death of his son Willie. Lincoln's writing begin to reflect this interest, in the Bible and Christianity, and it is probable that he made some kind of Christian commitment before his death. But he never joined a church which is why his Christian conversion is disputed. Lincoln could have had syphillis but it's not likely. The idea that he had the disease comes from statements from his law partner, William Herndon, who made many statements about Lincoln. Many, but not all, of Herndon's statements, about Lincoln, were later proved false or exaggerated. Another reason to suspect that Lincoln had syphillis is that both he and his wife suffered from mental and physical problems. Lincoln would become so depressed that he considered suicide more than once and his strange appearance has caused great speculation that he had a physical ailment of some kind. Mary Lincoln became completely insane, after her husband's assassination, and eventually was placed in a mental institution by her son Robert. She also lost the ability to walk late in her life. Mary's health problems could have been caused by syphillis but Abraham Lincoln's health problems do not fit with the typical results of the syphillis infection. Lincoln's sons most likely died of the infectious diseases that would sweep through the 19th century United States and kill thousands of people (TB for example). Lincoln needs to be back in the Opera House NOW! MouseBear
Originally Posted By Rsey103 When you visit the park, ask the cast members, "Are they bringing Mr. Lincoln back for the bicentennial?"
