Originally Posted By mstaft will put DCA on the map?- in a good way. I mean! Is it really gonna be a must see repeatable attraction?
Originally Posted By jmuboy I say no, I think DCA's changes and new rides will slowly grow it's reputation and attenandance. There is no magic bullet for DCA....I think that has been shown over the last 5 years.
Originally Posted By Sweeper I think it will have a major, positive impact if it is as great as it sounds.
Originally Posted By ni_teach It is a step in the right direction but by itself, not it's not the "must to go to the park" ride any more than TOT was.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I say ... it's definitely going to help in the same direction that ToT and Monsters Inc. have before..... But it's all an "incremental" thing. It's a slow evolution where the park's interest will continue to improve ... But there's still PLENTY areas that need to be redone. It's like someone with an ugly face. They're getting a nose job ... but it's going to take a lot more before this person is pretty enough for the 63 dollar admission price.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I agree that it's part of a series of incremental improvements. However, as ToT proved, new attractions usually only serve to maintain the status quo rather than increase attendance long term. Therefore, I doubt if we'll see attendance improving dramatically over the next 5 or 6 years just because of Midway Mania.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Yup, the new attractions at Disneyland over the past 50 years have maintained the same average number of guests since then too. When was the last time you saw a summer day with only 17,000 people there and it was considered to be average to heavy crowds? Although your theory is nice, adding rides will increase the capacity of the park, and will ultimately increase the number of guests in the park at any given moment.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt ^^^Oh please. There hasn't been a significant increase in DL attendance directly related to a new attraction since Indiana Jones. And even then it wasn't long term.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros There also hasn't been a major attraction added since Indiana Jones. The closest thing would have been the Rocket Rods, which closed down very quickly, but I remember the park being swamped the one time I was there and they were open. I really don't think that Pooh was ever realistically designed to pull in the numbers that Indy did.
Originally Posted By Park Hopper Wouldn't it be great to get attendance figures from '95 and '05 and compare them? How do you think they would match up?
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "There also hasn't been a major attraction added since Indiana Jones." The "new" Tomorrowland (1998) was reported to cost $100 million. Pooh (2003), $30 million. Did the attendance increase accordingly in the years in the years following their openings? Nope. "Wouldn't it be great to get attendance figures from '95 and '05 and compare them?" Here you go: 1995 14.1 million 1996 15 1997 14.3 1998 13.7 1999 13.5 2000 13.9 2001 12.4 2002 12.7 2003 12.7 2004 13.3 2005 14.5
Originally Posted By FerretAfros The new Tomorrowland really didn't have much substance to it. It had the Rocket Rods, Innoventions, HISTA, and a repositioned rocket ride. None of those (other than Rocket Rods which didn't last long enough for it to matter) ever bring many people to the park. They may be nice distractions while your there, but I would be surprised if people paid to get into the park with HISTA as their number one attraction to see. Spending a lot of money on the whole land doesn't mean a lot of they don't add anything of real substance. Indy was reported at a $100 million price tag as well, and a much higher percentage of that remains today than the new TL. I still don't see how Pooh could have possibly boosted attendance. It was just a bad plan from the top down to build that in hopes of crowds. While it is a nice attraction, that's all. It doesn't really draw me to that side of the park at all. If I'm over there anyway, I might hop on since there is rarely a line, but I wouldn't really go out of my way to see it. There is just something about the classic style darkrides that just doesn't seem to be a big enough draw to pull people into the park or a certain area of the park (except for Roger Rabbit). And just out of curiosity, where did those numbers come from? I did a quick search on the internet and couldn't find anything, so I was a little surprised to see something so concrete.
Originally Posted By leemac <<1995 14.1 million 1996 15 >> I hadn't realized that '96 had higher attendance that '95. I can't remember but how much of the 40th ran into the following year? Also I'm amazed that AB reckoned that there were more people at the park for the 50th than during the 40th. Maybe it is my mind tainting history but I always remember every day of the 40th being a zoo.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>However, as ToT proved, new attractions usually only serve to maintain the status quo rather than increase attendance long term. Therefore, I doubt if we'll see attendance improving dramatically over the next 5 or 6 years just because of Midway Mania.<<< Perhaps so in general Hans, but there are some noteworthy exceptions. As you mentioned, Indy gave DL a huge boost (granted the effect can only be a year or two, of course long term you must keep adding). They were quite clear in Tokyo about mentioning Pooh as a HUGE influence on attendance when it came out. And I daresay that, regarding Tower, DCA might be the exception to the rule. I have a feeling that it increased interest in MGM greatly (word of mouth was EVERYWHERE up north...before that noone talked about MGM much). And I believe the same is happening at DisneySea. I just wish they'd put in MORE good stuff (you know, to balance out all the so-so and crappy stuff), just to see who's theory is correct. I did find it very interesting to learn about how, in the case of Pooh in Tokyo, quality and expense really DID pay off in a big way. I wish that were used as a shining example, instead of all the cost cutting "well, it's good enough" that we so often hear about.
Originally Posted By Mr X What is Midway Mania, anyway? Geez, I'm so out of the loop now! Gotta read LP more.
Originally Posted By Mr X Never mind. Found the thread that talks about it. Well, I sure hope it's like Spidey, that's all I can say. Buzz is okay, but just okay. Spidey is freakin AMAZING (just rode it a couple of weeks ago in Osaka, and it was just as great as I remembered if not moreso!).
Originally Posted By Park Hopper If I remember correctly, 1996 was the "final" year of the electrical parade. That promotion was a huge success. I remember they had to call in Disney Store and Studio employees to help with crowd control. As for interpreting the rest of the data, one could say that since they haven't added much of quality since Indiana Jones, attendance has pretty much stagnated.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Do you have information from the early 90's, so we can actually see what effect (if any) Indy had on the overall attrandance?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer This site has the AB numbers from 1984 thru 2005.... <a href="http://www.scottware.com.au/theme/feature/crowds.htm" target="_blank">http://www.scottware.com.au/th eme/feature/crowds.htm</a>
