Originally Posted By Hista98 so i have a question hopefully someone can answer, hen the new tiki room show opened with Iago and Zazu it became a really complained about and hated attraction. so my question is if both WDI and WDW Mannagment are aware of how disliked it is why is this version still around 10 years later??? Why don't they replace it with a new show?? I guess i could understand that, they probably don't want to make it worse, but why not just bring back the original, haven't we suffered enough?? Is WDW just giving up on this space??
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo The key here I suppose is money. Even a state of the art TR is not likely to draw huge crowds. So there profit choices would be t run it o add to capacity (and for all the new visitors or those who do like the show) or shutter it. Under New Management is better tha no tiki room at all.
Originally Posted By danyoung I'm not at all convinced that the WDW show is universally hated. Every time I've been there, there's a reasonable crowd to see it. And it seems to me that most folks clap and sing and generally enjoy themselves. I think the hatred mostly occurs in online forums like this one, where experienced Disney park fans can compare between the WDW and DL versions. At the risk of spouting blasphemy, I think both versions have their good and bad points. For me it's simply a slightly different experience in the Tiki Rooms, and both are enjoyable.
Originally Posted By hightp I happen to like the New Tiki Room, but I wish that Disney had decided to update it every year or so with new songs rather than stick with the the pop songs of a years ago. It would be much more popular if the birds sang some of the current Disney stars songs (Hanna Montana or Jonas Bros) rather than the sets they have now. Then, as each new Disney star arises, have one of their songs intergrated. I would have thought that was the original idea.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I think the hatred mostly occurs in online forums like this one, where experienced Disney park fans can compare between the WDW and DL versions>> I definitely think there is a resistance to changing anything that is considered a classic. I don't hate the New Tiki Room either. Like Dan, for me it is just something different. Both the old and the new show are not on my A list of attractions anyway.
Originally Posted By Elderp I don't mind saying it. The Tiki Room "Under New Management" is horrible. Unlike it's better at DL it is seriously dated and shows. The storyline is broken up and doesn't flow smoothly. It's rough dialogue are cut with poorly performed songs don't do it much good. Iago and Zazu are not even close to being in porportion with the other birds, this comes mostly due to the fact that Zazu and Iago (especially him) are more cartoony than the other birds they sing with. ***Spoiler Alert *** That tiki god that pops out of the fountain is scary for most children and strange to most adults. *** End Spoiler Alert *** Overall it is badly produced show and while I could see an update to the Tiki Room being a good thing, this was not. The one thing I did like was the little fountain pre-show, that was kinda cute, but even there I like the Tiki Gods preshow better. I for one am glad Jose is still running the show at DL.
Originally Posted By Walter Elias I haven't seen the new Tiki room. {{GASP}} The thinking behind it, of course, is probably to promote their films as well as knowing that everyone seeing the Tiki Room for the first time will not know of its former glory. The oldtimers (like me) will get over it. The show will then be a little more updated for a new generation...yuck.
Originally Posted By danyoung Elderp, while I'd never say that you're wrong and I'm right, I disagree with your assessment of the show. Spoilers will abound, so read carefully - >The storyline is broken up and doesn't flow smoothly.< I just don't see this. It's been a couple years since I've seen the show but here it is, as I recall it. The show starts normally, like the old show, then is interrupted by Iago, the new owner, telling the birds they have to dump all that old Tiki crap. Zazu, also a new owner, warns Iago about the wrath of the Tiki gods. After a bit of bickering and singing, the Tiki goddess comes out and zaps Iago. Iago, now a believer, realizes that they can make a ton of money with the tiki theme. And then they all close out singing. Nothing broken there - seems to flow totally smoothly. >It's rough dialogue are cut with poorly performed songs don't do it much good.< I guess performance is a matter of opinion. The songs are somewhat dated, but I thought they were performed as well as robotic birds could perform them. >Iago and Zazu are not even close to being in porportion with the other birds, this comes mostly due to the fact that Zazu and Iago (especially him) are more cartoony than the other birds they sing with.< They're out of proportion because they're the main characters, and totally new to the Tiki Room universe. And they're more cartoony because, well, they started out as cartoons, while the tiki birds and flowers were created to look incredibly lifelike. I don't know exactly how you'd make a cartoon look more lifelike, or why you'd need to. >That tiki god that pops out of the fountain is scary for most children and strange to most adults.< I'll give you that she's kinda scary, probably as a result of Eisner's desire to be more scary (kinda like Alien Encounter!). But I've never seen kids freak out, and I as an adult find her most interesting. Look, it's not the greatest theater in the world. And maybe the Imagineers could have done better. But I think they did pretty darned good. And I really like that there are 2 tiki shows, as opposed to having exactly the same show on both coasts, like HISTA and ITTBAB and the Muppets.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 I prefer the original, but have gotten use to the new. But they probably changed it because of all the thrill seekers who walked out during the show. I just doesn't appeal to people who want thrills instead of entertainment. Bring back "Let's all sing like the birdies sing"
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I agree with the last sentiment, if I had my choice I probably prefer the original, but yes it was dated. I like the idea of maybe keeping some schedule to update at least some of the songs in the UNM Tiki Room....but overall, I find the show still entertaining.... I like the edgier humor - without getting to the gross out level of Stitch's encounter.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL >>> >That tiki god that pops out of the fountain is scary for most children and strange to most adults.< I'll give you that she's kinda scary, probably as a result of Eisner's desire to be more scary (kinda like Alien Encounter!). But I've never seen kids freak out, and I as an adult find her most interesting.<<< My feelings exactly, I think the Tiki Goddess is the best part of the new show. Iago has to be one of the most annoying characters and its great to see him get blasted by her each and every time, LOL.
Originally Posted By ExpDave My problem with this version is that it insults the original and much of the music is off theme. Of course that is the idea of this show as stated above. However they could have updated the show without insulting the original or using off theme music. I believe the original idea was for a dinner show. Take that idea and add the interactive living character program and next time they update it I think they could create a wonderful, longer, more intimate, on theme show where the characters interact with the dinning guests.
Originally Posted By danyoung >My problem with this version is that it insults the original...< I've seen this argument before, and I can see where it comes from. My take is that Iago is a very rude, insulting character anyway. He's warned that his insults will upset the gods, which turns out to be true. And by the end of the show, he's all on board with basically the original tiki room concept.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<they could create a wonderful, longer, more intimate, on theme show where the characters interact with the dinning guests.>> Yeah, just what WDW needs: more character dining. I'd rather keep the show as-is and be able to see it, than need to have a reservation made six months ahead.
Originally Posted By 2PrincessMom I took my girls to WDW and made a point of going to the Tiki Room...it was one of the places I remember going to when I went the first time in '75. Even though it has "changed", my girls LOVED it...they sing along with the music when it comes on...to them, it's complete sillyness and fun and crazy.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Look at this way, it could be worse. We could be getting the STITCH version of the Tiki Room that Tokyo is getting now!!! Overall, I prefer the original, but am glad that they didn't gut the attraction and replace it with another plush gift shop. A 'New Management' Tiki Room is better than no Tiki Room. I'm not an Iago (or, for that matter, a Gilbert Godfrey fan), but I find Iago in the Tiki Room actually funny at times. I love some of the one-liners he utters as you're leaving the show. "Oh, that's real smart, walking under a bird!". The show is 'ok' while the original was 'good'. Both versions are still fun.
Originally Posted By sharon2 <<Bring back "Let's all sing like the birdies sing">> I have an old cassette tape of that song, you can borrow it if you like. Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet!!
Originally Posted By Hista98 plus i found the show way too loud,and obnoxious being traped in a room with gilbert godfried yelling at you is not my idea of a fun time
Originally Posted By dshyates The least they could have done is cover the cartoon birds in feathers. Iago is covered in either Muppet fur or an old shag carpet from the 70's And Zazu is fiberglass like the statues at the defunct Disney Stores.
