Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Another suggestion to make FastPass more "fair." (If of course you agree that by "fair" you mean "Everyone who visits a Disney park should be able to get to the head of at least one long line.") NEW Suggestion: (3) Allow making 1 FastPass reservation the DAY BEFORE you want to go. I can't tell you the number of times I've sent a family over to Soarin' wanting to get a FastPass for their whole group, and knowing that they've been "sold out" of FP's since before noon. Suggestion -- Allow guests to book a single FastPass at least the day before they want to go. It's unfair to ask the whole family, Mom, Dad, 4 kids, a baby, and perhaps Grandma ALL to be at the park at 9:01 on a given day and rush right over to Expedition Everest to get a FastPass for that day. A tribe like that would like to go on the ride together at a predictable time, but can't automatically get up that early. Previous Suggestions: (1) Limit of 2 FastPasses per person per park per day. No more. (2) No sharing of FastPasses. You can only use your own 2 FP's.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<you mean "Everyone who visits a Disney park should be able to get to the head of at least one long line>> Aside from a day like Christmas day, is there ever a time when all of the FP's for all of the attractions are gone by a certain time of the day? So, if not, then everyone CAN get at least one FP per day.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Aside from a day like Christmas day, is there ever a time when all of the FP's for all of the attractions are gone by a certain time of the day? << You're right. I guess I can't say from personal insider knowledge how many days a year attractions regularly run out of FP's. Probably not every day of every year. However, I have personally observed that Soarin', Test Track, Expedition Everest, Tower of Terror, Rockin' Roller Coaster, & Big Thunder regularly DO run out, before mid-afternoon. At least during busy times.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA As the cost of visiting Walt Disney World and Disneyland has increased substantially in the last 20 years, guests have become more militant in the wanting to see everything during a visit. [read: get their money's worth]. So, for most guests, they get the sense that they're doing more [ie: getting more for their money] by getting a Fast Pass and then running around the pathways doing something else while virtually 'waiting in line.' My sister takes her two kids and husband to the Disneyland for 3 days. She really powers out the parks man. She's there at rope-drop, she stays until the park closes, she gets the Fast Passes, and she goes -- and by the time they get home, they're practically all in the hospital from exhaustion and dehydration. The kids have all thrown up multiple times, my sister is sick, and her husband sleeps for 24 hours. They have to look at pictures to remember what they did. We used to meet her at the park, but found that we were cramping her style by doing weird things like having dinner and sitting down for an hour. And to each his own! But here's my point -- as people are dropping more and more money to go to WDW and Disneyland, they will want to squeeze every drop of fun they can. Fast Pass is part of that. I think if people had the opportunity to plan their entire days -- from specific times for having breakfast, buying a churro, meeting a character, riding Big Thunder, seeing 'Beauty and the Beast' show, having a picture snapped in front of the castle, and so forth -- they would. I wouldn't. But that's not my idea of fun. But that's whay I see as the future of 'going to a Disney Theme Park'
Originally Posted By TDLFAN The only way to make it "fair" for everyone is to pull FP off line and go back to the same old tried and true "first come, first serve" one line only format.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> The only way to make it "fair" for everyone is to pull FP off line and go back to the "first come, first serve" one line only format. << Maybe -- But I really do think FP can work. I think the sentiment that "even if it's busy, everyone who visits a Disney park on a given day can get to the head of at least one long line." That would be a very Disney thing to do. And you could at least look back on that, instead of the memory of waiting in long lines for everything. But it would work best if it was the same for everyone. So everyone gets one (or two) but NO MORE than that. Even if some others do not use theirs. Don't you think?
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I can live with that suggestion, and I agree, it would be a big PLUS if they did offer on free dated FP coupon for every day of every pass purchased where you can use at any FP ride at any time of the day you choose.. Like I have said before.. my problem with FP is not the actual going to the front of the line..my gripe is making other guests wait too long just because they do not want/understand the system or because FP has run out for the day.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^ I would have no issue with a limit on the number - say 2 per ticket. The question would be, howmany people use it more than that ? I happen to like FP but also realize that it doesn't always work best in all situations. --------------------------------- At MK I grab a FP for Splash upon entering then get in stand by line for BTMRR -- ride them back to back Ditto for Space Mountain & Buzz And sometimes get a FP for Mickey's Philharmagic that coincides with being able to go to after eating at Crystal Palace/Tony's etc... so let's say i use 3 at MK -- the rest we use stand by. --------------------------------- EPCOT -- I get a FP for Test Track and then go ride Soarin...come back for TT only one I use there but it helps as both stand bys are very long Maybe , and only maybe I grad a Soarin FP ( if any left) when I return to EPCOT after resting mid day at the resort annd return to eat at a WS restaurant -- so max use for me at EPCOT = 2 -------------------------------- MGM/Studios - get FP for ToT - then ride RnRc - and when off go to ToT -- with shorter wait - also get FP for Stunt Show- but that one doesn't count against you anyway ----------------------------------- DAK - get FP for Kali -- then go to ride Safari's- and return for Kali With EE I will have to see if I change that And I do grab FP's during EMH -- So my usage not much heavier than 2 anyway --per park
Originally Posted By CMM1 I haven't been to the Orlando parks since 2002 - did Disney ever institute a program at any of their resort hotels or through their tour operators where guests could get more than the standard single FP? I know that at DLR there were certain travel packages that were advertised to have "unlimited" FPs (you could get and hold one for every ride in the park with FP at the same time). I believe I also heard elsewhere that Universal had dropped their program where Universal hotel guests got front-of-the-line priveleges during their stay - is that true?
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m ^^No, FP is the same whether you are a resort guest, or an off-site guest.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I believe I also heard elsewhere that Universal had dropped their program where Universal hotel guests got front-of-the-line priveleges during their stay - is that true?>> From what I"ve read on this site, they got rid of their regular system, but you can still buy the FP (whatever they call it), and resort guests get it for free.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so you can still buy your way to the front there ...which I think is not the way to go
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m ^^I totally agree. Which makes WDW Fast Pass system seem awfully "fair" to me!
Originally Posted By CMM1 I would agree that if the same feature is available to everybody in the park then it is just a matter of choice when you choose to use that privelege. If there is an option given to guests to buy their way to the front of the lines, then perhaps that is something that some guests may want to purchase for a single day but most likely won't purchase for a whole week or more during a long vacation.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <If there is an option given to guests to buy their way to the front of the lines, then perhaps that is something that some guests may want to purchase for a single day but most likely won't purchase for a whole week or more during a long vacation< I would be willing to think there are many with the $ who would buy it for length of stay....if they are willing to spend $200 for tea with Mary Poppins - or a few hundred dollars at the Bibbity Bobbity Boo tique -- a charge to move up front would be nothing...I still think it would be wrong.... yet I have to admit, I'd buy it if it was available....the additional cost would not change my plans...but let's hope they don't go this way
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I have to admit, I'd buy it if it was available....the additional cost would not change my plans...<< Say no more!! I rest my case why WDW should charge for FP service. I am forwarding a copy of your post to WDW's management. They *do* need to read this!!!!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 That is my fear -- that they will do something like this...and it's not like I don't think this has probably been discussed already. I only get there 1 - 2 times a year, so would I pay for it, most likely yes...but it doesn't make it right.
Originally Posted By crazyformickey Why not make it a benefit on a park pass? You can buy a base ticket and add Park hopper, no expiration, water parks and fast pass. So instead of Disney raising the base price they can just make money by adding the option.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Why not make it a benefit on a park pass? << This might work. But I'd only go for it if the FP option included the right to STILL GO AND REQUEST FP'S AT THE ATTRACTION the way they are now. You shouldn't just automatically get a handful of FP's for showing up at the front gate.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m I wouldn't pay for FP, and it might actually stop me from coming to the parks. After staying at Universal in August 2004, and seeing how long the stand by lines are, I decided I won't go back there unless I'm staying on-site. I really wasn't happy with the Royal Pacific Hotel that trip, so they'd have to have a great deal on Hard Rock or Portofino Bay for me to go back. Basically, I think WDW might lose guests if they were to allow people to buy their way to the front of the line.
