Originally Posted By 21raven Does WDW enforce the one hour window? Because DLR doesn't and I hope WDW works the same system too. Thanks!
Originally Posted By ChiMike Which should be reason enough to stop all the Fastpass arguments in their tracks. Even with the window enforced Fastpass has been disaterous for the parks' operation and in my opinion the overall Disney park experience for the entire guest population. No one should favor Fastpass as a good thing as long as the window is not enforced.
Originally Posted By ChiMike I thought we were talking about the end of the window not being enforced
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Explorer Thu 7/7/2011 7:57p I've had it enforced. Showed up early, was told to wait. >> Early is enforced. That's it. You could get a FP for 9 AM and use it at 9PM
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Just think about how great it would be if it was just first come first served like it used to be. No wondering if the window will be honored or not, no grumbling in the standby lines because there would be no standby. Everyone would get on the ride in relation to their appearance in the line, when your next...your next! Face it the only lines that are shorter now is the Fastpass line. The regular line moves at about the same speed (or slower) then it used too. Everyone is equal. Planning involves when to get to the "Q" instead of how many FP's to get and when. We could take our time, enjoy the themeing, ride the ride and go to the next one. No runners just guests. All of us would have the same experience while visiting. Call the old days bad if you want but that is when I fell in love with the parks. Now it is just to much like work.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Just think about how great it would be if it was just first come first served like it used to be ---- sorry Goofy, I've had this disucssion before. For those of us who travel in summer due to kids schedules- the 'good old days' as you remember them are different than mine. Mine are littered with 90minute waits in 100 degree heat index days. That may work for you, but it doesn't for me, and I and my family have not forgotten them. There have been some good suggestions to tweak the system here that I would have no issues with, but a return to what I vividly remember- no thanks
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost OK, I will confess that I only went to the parks in late February when my kids were small. There was usually a good crowd there due to Presidents day and the Daytona 500, but still I'm sure it wasn't as bad as mid summer. That's why I chose not to go then. I felt that a short comfortable trip was far better then a long sweaty one. Anyway, I do remember some "relatively" long waits but not longer than I experienced at Soarin last September. That was horrendous. The worst part of it was when I entered the line the wait time was listed as 20 minutes. Since it takes almost 20 minutes to walk that "Q" I decided to do that. Well, long story short, it was closer to an hour and 20 minutes. I like Soarin, but not that much. But I'm pretty choosy. I have never been to Toy Story because of the length of wait. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that ride can offer that would be worth wasting that much of my life over...so I don't go and still sleep nights.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Isn't the single rider option better than FP these days?<< Single rider is always better because it does not artificially increase the queue of riders. Single rider should be looked at as the true fastpass, something that takes advantage of excess capacity that would otherwise go wasted. It's like in the airline or hotel industry where once that plane takes off every seat is lost revenue (or room/night), once that ride vehicle dispatches with an empty seat, that's one less rider the attraction 'could' have accommodated in their daily totals. I am a huge supporter of Single Rider even though I wouldn't always use it and I've seen it implemented poorly. I understand why Disney shys away from it more than other theme parks. They don't want to be strangers next to families. Not only is it out of genuine courtesy, but it makes it a lot harder to sell those onride pictures.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>They don't want to be strangers next to families<< They don't want to put strangers next to families
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>---- sorry Goofy, I've had this discussion before. For those of us who travel in summer due to kids schedules- the 'good old days' as you remember them are different than mine.<< Okay I'm going to try to be gentle here. You are looking at FP through your own lens and not how it affects the entire guest population. Kind of like, "what's in it for me!" The same thing you have disdain for with corrupt Illinois politicians. NOT linking you to them, gosh no! But close to the same attitude, "eh, I don't care about the big picture, it helps me!" I was there in the old days and during peak time. On Easter Weekend, on Fourth of July weekend, on Christmas week. Probably times that were more crowded then when you visited back then. And I am talking 80's here. Not the 90's. I am talking about only two parks and half the attractions available now to spread out the crowds. >> Mine are littered with 90minute waits in 100 degree heat index days. That may work for you, but it doesn't for me, and I and my family have not forgotten them.<< I think you have exaggerated them in contrast to the 10 most recent years of zipping through the fastpass line. At the end of the day what happened in the 80's isn't as relevant as what was happening in '98 and '99 leading up to FP's implementation. 1) In the 80's the lines were no longer during peak times as they 'can' get now during peak times. Especially considering attractions now sometimes run with less capacity then they did in the 80's 2) There are more people at the resort today then there was then, even with the burden spread over 4 parks. 3) If you look at wait times for Space Mountain in 97 and 98 and then post-FP, during peak times standby is roughly the same if not more. FP has created equally long lines if not longer for an attraction that is 12+ years older, less popular, and not the biggest coaster thrill on property any longer. FP does this. Folks have been riding Space Mountain all this time so they don't want to wait for the same experience like they did in the past. Disney has allowed for it to cost guests less in their vacation time to ride aging attractions. Not a good business move. I agree with Goofy, there wasn't a lot of hostility towards the old way. No one was getting 100 degree heat stroke inside Space Mountain while waiting their turn. I'm okay with you saying that you like FP because of the edge it gives you. Just understand, or don't deny, that it has made standby queues worse, and it effects the operations of the park, the CMs who have to manage it, and the financial resources that are needed elsewhere to operate it. >>There have been some good suggestions to tweak the system here that I would have no issues with, but a return to what I vividly remember- no thanks<< Your tune will change when Deluxe resort guests get priorities over DVC members in the future. I love you to death VB, but on this issue I feel you have always approached it from a personal view, (WHICH IS WHAT MOST GUESTS DO) and I would not be surprised to see people freak out when they are a second class citizen. Especially the DVC crew who think they own the place, literally.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 You are looking at FP through your own lens and not how it affects the entire guest population. Kind of like, "what's in it for me!" --- you can be kind or harsh Mike- I represent a large portion of those who attend Disney in the 3 summer months - as evidenced by crowd size. This is about "US' not me. And to be fair every argument i see here centers on how it affects one segment-- "I can't get a FP bacause I sleep in" - etc.-- so isn't that how everyone views it ? ( and unfair to relate ti Illinois politicians as I am not taxing anyone more in order to gain benefits for one entitled group or another- so let's not go there please - nor am I coprrupt in any way. I use the system exactly as it was designed. If they stop it I will move on- but I see no reason to do that.)
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I'm okay with you saying that you like FP because of the edge it gives you. Just understand, or don't deny, that it has made standby queues worse, and it effects the operations of the park, the CMs who have to manage it, and the financial resources that are needed elsewhere to operate it -- the slective memories of some- do not erase my exact memories either, at 56 I am still pretty sharp of mind and those are NOT imagined - nor made up times. 90 minutes for a number of rides was NOT uncommon-( and I too wnet 4th of July for instance). I have a brother in law who ended up in the local hospital from heat stroke while waiting for Space Mountain ( Outside the inside queue) after waiting a long time at BTMRR just before. Yes, he is bald and should have been wearing a hat- but the day and 1/2 he spent getting fluids again is not made up..in fact was quite scary at the time. Ruined his entire trip down. So the rosey- everything was 15 minutes view I do not share. I can't believe I always picked just the wrong weeks ( usually was end of June)- but I will not discount your experiences either, just don't discount mine.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Also if you're hanging around with DVC people who 'think they own the place' it speaks more about your choice of people to interact with. I have been a member for 20 years and know literally no one that fits that description. Most of us are very happy with our purchases but they bought us exactly what we paiud for - nothing more. So who is generalizing now ? Really kinda resent that portrayal..as I know other DVC peole here will also. Name one DVC member on LP that acts that way ? anyone ? If they give more perks to Deluxe stays so be it- ( although keep waiting for that Four Seasons which likely will never be built) - I have the value I paid for and more- the $100 discount on the AP is very nice but I do not take it for granted. It was not part of the deal and could disappear at any time - again - so be it. You may not like DVC ( and it is not for everyone- no one here ever said it was)- and you may dislike FP - for your own reasons- all fine, I have no issue with that. But when you try and paint me with a brush that does not fit as a member- I will react just like this. I respect your opinions Mike- but they are only that- your opinion-s as are mine. btw- I remember the exact same waits and add 15-20 minutes at Uni when it was one park. I remember a 2hour + wait in 95 degree heat for Back to the Future and a almost 2 hour wait same day for ET.... these took ALL the fun out of attending the parks Now do I agree there needs to be some tweaks to FP- yes. Return times need to be strict-- there needs to be a limit of # of FP-- and only certain long wait rides need to have a FP system attached -- all valid concerns.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I think you have exaggerated them in contrast to the 10 most recent years of zipping through the fastpass line. At the end of the day what happened in the 80's isn't as relevant as what was happening in '98 and '99 leading up to FP's implementation. 1) In the 80's the lines were no longer during peak times as they 'can' get now during peak times. Especially considering attractions now sometimes run with less capacity then they did in the 80's ------- disagree due to shorter hours at some of the parks today than during the 80's . More people trying to cram 'perceived value' into the parks. ALso let's look at MK and how many things are down- right now- today..and will be for another 1-2 years.
