Originally Posted By ssWEDguy We were at Everest early yesterday in the standby queue. At one point a lady came up from behind and did this "Excuse me, I'm trying to catch up to my family" thing. She worked her way up the line, passing others as she went. "Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me..." Now maybe she really was trying to catch up to her family. Maybe she even had to leave the line earlier to go use the bathroom, and now was trying to get back. Maybe. Or maybe she was just a line jumper. Or worse yet, maybe she had just taken all her family's Park Passes to another attraction and got them all a FastPass for it. And now she was back, with FastPasses in hand, line jumping to "catch up to her family." ------------------------------------- MY QUESTION -- What do you all think about people who do this? Do you let them go ahead? Or do you suggest that the way it ought to work is "Ma'm -- Your family up ahead should just stop when they reach the front of the line and let the line pass them by until you reach that point....Behind those who are ahead of you now." Isn't this terrible that I even begin to think about somebody doing this? But doesn't FastPassing and the loopholes that people have learned to use allow it? I see Disney allowing people to jump lines like this as a learned form of FastPass abuse. As a matter of fact, I'm going name this behavior as "FPA" -- FastPass Abuse. PS. When she went by she was on her cellphone. ---------------------- Let the rebuttals begin...
Originally Posted By Labuda I've had people try to pull that with me - if I haven't seen them exit the line, then they are NOT getting back in in front of me. No way, no how. What they DO get is me not allowing them to pass and a brief, for lack of a better term, "lecture" that if they want to ride as a group, they need to get in line as a group.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> if I haven't seen them exit the line, then they are NOT getting back in in front of me. No way, no how. << You and I agree with this one, Labuda. I didn't say anything yesterday because I was with friends. The other downside is that if you do manage to stop somebody from advancing forward like this, then they are RIGHT BEHIND YOU the whole rest of the way to the front of the line. Maybe even right behind you riding on it. That can be awkward for some.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy My favorite version of this kind of line jumping is when the person who passes "doesn't speak English." Works every time.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>Or do you suggest that the way it ought to work is "Ma'm -- Your family up ahead should just stop when they reach the front of the line and let the line pass them by until you reach that point....Behind those who are ahead of you now."<<< A good solution. But something that should be required of the cast members, since we patrons should NOT have to deal with such rude behaviour. I've seen this in Japan too, and it's funny because when I go ahead and stand in their way (inevitably teen age girls in a group trying to catch up to friends), they freak out and start whining "what should we do!?", "what should we do!?". Maybe what they should "do" is learn better behaviour. I HATE the line cutting thing! I mean, okay, there ARE exceptions (a mother/father getting out of line to change the baby, for example), but for the most part there is no need, and this is rude behaviour that says to the rest of us "screw you, *I* am special enough to cut through the line". I say, fight the line cutters.
Originally Posted By Labuda I have yet to run into that - but I'm sure I would have if any of the evil Brazilian teenager groups we saw on our honeymoon had tried to line jump in front of us.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I'm sure there are people who abuse lines simply because they've learned that people will let them. I try to be polite, but I will not simply let people by. I will even offer to go ahead in line for them, to tell their family to come back here to join them. Back here. Usually once you say something, you get the support of others nearby. >> But something that should be required of the cast members, since we patrons should NOT have to deal with such rude behaviour << Agreed. But there just aren't CM's at every point in the queue to deal with this. About the best they could do is when the family gets to the front of the line and then is letting other people by, "waiting for the rest of their group." Then, if the late arrival is one of those who is bypassing people in line to get there, that's when the CM should at least speak up. And then all the people they've just visibly bypassed should get to go on first why they all wait. As a group.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy How about this? Allow guests to buy and use small cans of "Line Cutter Spray." A 24-hour red dye that you can legally spray on anyone who line jumps past you, without an awful good reason. At least then it turns line jumpers into an activity.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad It is often with all our kids, that I am in line while my wife goes for Fastpasses for another ride. What do we do? MY WIFE WAITS for us to get off the ride! IF I am the one to go get the passes, which is rare cause she is always pregnant and can't ride much anyway, but IF I AM the one... I do this: If I can SEE my party in line I will motion to her to let people pass until I catch up. If I CAN'T SEE my party in line, I WAIT a the EXIT. We do this in hopes that others will repay us by doing the same. Now when it comes to flash photography I am the BAD guy. But I have recently quit doing that too.
Originally Posted By Disneymom443 I'm a big wimp when it comes to conformation. I would just shrug and let them pass... Now if it at the movies or a line at the mall ect. I'm a different person, I will not let them pass. I guess at WDW or DL I'm more at ease or just a push over. I feel we will all get there any way and the is the happiest place on Earth right. So just smile, if they where line jumping karma will get them in the end.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad You know this is sad to admit, but for me, I can't help but do a little "profiling" before I decide if I will say anything. I mean, it can be pretty obvious if it's a middle aged mom, trying to get to her kids, or a couple punk teenagers from Ipenema.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> If I can SEE my party in line I will motion to her to let people pass until I catch up. (Through natural line movement, of course. Not by bypassing.) If I CAN'T SEE my party in line, I WAIT at the EXIT << DVC_dad -- I very much agree to your approach to this line thing. We can hope that others learn from this behavior. But I wouldn't hold your breath.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Now when it comes to flash photography I am the BAD guy. << So YOU'RE that guy? The next time someone uses a flash in "Pirates" I'm going to holler out "DVC_dad!! Where are you?"
Originally Posted By Lewis Goofy I must admit that I do this all the time. I do not know why I do not think that it is bad behavior. I am a nice guy except for cutting lines at WDW. I am a local and if the tourist are going to let me cut to the front of the line then that is what I am going to do. I can't tell you how many times I have cut to the front of the line on Kilimanjaro Safaris. If the line is really long on that ride it is a challenge to see how far I can cut, and most times I can cut all the way to the front. Once I can see the loading area I will stop and look around and say that my family must have got on the ride without me and I will sometimes say that I really wanted to ride with my grandmother. Guest around me will try to comfort me and say thats ok you can always ride again. I have had guest even ask me if I wanted to ride with them. But the "excuse me I am trying to catch up with my family I had to go to the restroom" works almost every time. With that you can cut any line.
Originally Posted By Boardwalkbum >>punk teenagers from Ipenema.<< *sings*.... Tall and tan and young and obnoxious the punks from Ipanema go cutting And when they line junp each person in line goes - Damn
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic I like the idea of the red dye. I don't let anyone pass unless I have physically seen them get out of line. Normally, people will wait for their family members to come back and get on the ride with them. I would not think of even doing that at all. You don't speak English, tough!!! A head shake of NO is universal.
Originally Posted By Labuda HGow nie to learn that a devoted Disney CM who claims to love all things Disney is actually one of the jerks who cuts in line all the time, Lewis. SHAME ON YOU!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <HGow nie to learn that a devoted Disney CM who claims to love all things Disney is actually one of the jerks who cuts in line all the time, Lewis. SHAME ON YOU!< This is why I favor tripping these people as they pass......ooops, excuse me....can I help you up ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I'll let everyone decide if I am serious or not.....but for line cutters, beware...
